Had I known, I would never have glyphed Penance until this patch.
I cannot begin to count how many times I have mindlessly hit Penance when it is still on cd now. I did not realize that my fingers knew exactly how long 6.6 seconds was. At least I think it was 6.6 second cd for Penance, I don't really know, ask my fingers.
Every time it happens, I hear myself groaning, "Oooohhh fuuuudge", except I don't say fudge.
I lose more than the 2 seconds trying to figure out what to cast in the gcd and wind up prolonging that penance 3-4 seconds. My tanks are starting to lose confidence in me. I can almost hear the whispers about the washed up priest...
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I so agree. The spell's really *********** me now. I usually throw another flash heal, but it's just not the same =(
I had been playing around with my open glphy spot before 3.2
That quickly ended :P
I have 2 ways that tell me when a cd is up and i still try to hit penanace when the tank takes a big dip, when it's on cd..
I just have to pay a little more attention to whats happening to the tank while I'm shielding the raid, I've even added renew to my rotation-still don't like it enough for talent points =)
That quickly ended :P
I have 2 ways that tell me when a cd is up and i still try to hit penanace when the tank takes a big dip, when it's on cd..
I just have to pay a little more attention to whats happening to the tank while I'm shielding the raid, I've even added renew to my rotation-still don't like it enough for talent points =)
both my disc priest and another in the guild noticed a couple days after the patch that our penance cd stayed the same...am i missing something?
Yup, Penances cooldown is 2 seconds longer. Unless you never glyphed for Penance and now unconsiously have done so. If you really aren't noticing it you aren't using Penance enough.
Also, we've already had our first wipe due to the 2 seconds \o/
1.7 sec left on the CD when I wanted to throw it on a 10% hit points tank. Started up a Flash Heal but the tank died before it landed.
Also, we've already had our first wipe due to the 2 seconds \o/
1.7 sec left on the CD when I wanted to throw it on a 10% hit points tank. Started up a Flash Heal but the tank died before it landed.
Two seconds may not sound like much of a wait, but it can be the difference between effortlessly healing an encounter with a feeling of control and playing catch-up by using a variety of methods.
I have come to realize that I did employ a "rotation" of sorts for Disc. It would start after combat has started and regular damage was incoming. It would go somethng like this:
1) Shield + Penance on tank (raid check). PoM and/or Renew on tank- whichever is applicable.
2) Shield (raid) + Fheal (Renew!) on raid or tank, repeat as necessary, trying to end with a shield in raid before-
3) Penance + Fheal (Gheal!) on tank (raid check). (Gheal is not an option if Penance is not Shield hasted.)
The places where I have (raid check) are times where I would choose between going to individual heals (Shield/Fheal, Shield/Fheal and so on) or dropping a Shield/PoH on a group. Obviously, if the tank is taking constant damage, the heals center on him/her, but that does not remove the possibility of centering a PoH on the tank to incorporate some raid healing along with the tank healing. (Renew!) and (Gheal!) are used situationally.
It is when I use a Shield spam that I really feel the 2 second pinch. I could normally get a group shielded and return to the tank for a topoff (Penance + Fheal (Gheal!)). If I don't have that Penance to lead off the tank heal, and the tank still has Weakened Soul, I am in a world of trouble. There just isn't enough time to get off enough heals in that small window when the tank's health is dropping. I'm thinking that Pain Suppression can be useful in this situation, but it would have to be applied when the tank has full health to be truly useful. And if there is an all-star DPS in the group who is riding the threat line, Pain Suppression has the opportunity to open up a different can of worms.
I have come to realize that I did employ a "rotation" of sorts for Disc. It would start after combat has started and regular damage was incoming. It would go somethng like this:
1) Shield + Penance on tank (raid check). PoM and/or Renew on tank- whichever is applicable.
2) Shield (raid) + Fheal (Renew!) on raid or tank, repeat as necessary, trying to end with a shield in raid before-
3) Penance + Fheal (Gheal!) on tank (raid check). (Gheal is not an option if Penance is not Shield hasted.)
The places where I have (raid check) are times where I would choose between going to individual heals (Shield/Fheal, Shield/Fheal and so on) or dropping a Shield/PoH on a group. Obviously, if the tank is taking constant damage, the heals center on him/her, but that does not remove the possibility of centering a PoH on the tank to incorporate some raid healing along with the tank healing. (Renew!) and (Gheal!) are used situationally.
It is when I use a Shield spam that I really feel the 2 second pinch. I could normally get a group shielded and return to the tank for a topoff (Penance + Fheal (Gheal!)). If I don't have that Penance to lead off the tank heal, and the tank still has Weakened Soul, I am in a world of trouble. There just isn't enough time to get off enough heals in that small window when the tank's health is dropping. I'm thinking that Pain Suppression can be useful in this situation, but it would have to be applied when the tank has full health to be truly useful. And if there is an all-star DPS in the group who is riding the threat line, Pain Suppression has the opportunity to open up a different can of worms.
I see what you mean Try, I had the same; during fights with interrupts I usually timed my abilities so that I was using instants whenever I couldn't stand and cast (refresh shield on some peeps, ProM), Penance whenever possible and Flash Heal to fill up the gaps. Right now I sometimes find myself standing around for 2 seconds because of the blaster Penance CD.
Mozared wrote:
I see what you mean Try, I had the same; during fights with interrupts I usually timed my abilities so that I was using instants whenever I couldn't stand and cast (refresh shield on some peeps, ProM), Penance whenever possible and Flash Heal to fill up the gaps. Right now I sometimes find myself standing around for 2 seconds because of the blaster Penance CD.
That's the rub. Those 2 seconds are occurring during a time that I know I should be doing something, but until I (or my fingers!) retrain themselves for the new cd, I feel helpless for a short period and it breaks my concentration. Normally the consequences aren't devastating, but just like you pointed out, Moz, when you can point your finger at why a wipe occurred and have no real solution for it besides "Do it better"... well, these are the times when you want to take the developer who changed it out to lunch and stick him with the bill.
Mozared wrote:
If you really aren't noticing it you aren't using Penance enough.
*cry* Ran heroic ToC a couple of weeks ago with a discipline priest who out of our entire run did not use penance ONCE. After more wipes than I can shake a stick at we finally booted him. It hurt...maybe this guy is him...
ekaterinodar wrote:
Mozared wrote:
If you really aren't noticing it you aren't using Penance enough.
*cry* Ran heroic ToC a couple of weeks ago with a discipline priest who out of our entire run did not use penance ONCE. After more wipes than I can shake a stick at we finally booted him. It hurt...maybe this guy is him...
I tell you what, there is nothing more excruciating for me than switching to holy when another disc priest is in the group. I have been running as holy more and more, usually due to a shortage of raid healers lately. When I am in a group with another disco priest, I find myself watching their shielding (usually lack of) and watching/listening for their penance (that is barely cast).
It makes me wonder why they didn't just spec holy if they are not going to use the fun toys. o.O
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