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#1 Aug 14 2009 at 4:19 AM Rating: Good
Hello my fellow priests

I would like to hear some oppinions on this build I have played around with for some time now:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#bxIrzhGVoccbfoZfEzI0Mob:moTMzV

The idea of the build goes towards maximum survival in PVP combined with massive investment in talents that benefit from a high crit %.

I have chosen talents that improve Flash Heal which makes this my bread and butter healing spell - Surge of Light procs should happen quite often due to the investment in talents as well as gear that improve crit % which makes it possible for quite alot of burst healing from crit heals followed by an instant non-crit flash heal.

Concerning major glyphs im pretty certain of Glyph of Inner Fire and Glyph of Pain Suppression due to the ambition of maximum survival, but the Glyph of Flash Heal im considering of replacing with either Glyph of Dispell Magic, Glyph of Renew or Glyph of PW:Shield. Any advice on this would be appreciated :)

As you probably notice I have choosen not to take meditiation due to the fact, that I will be stacking crit gear and thereby sacrificing spirit which would make meditiation quite useless.

I would appreciate your comments on the build, ideas to how i might improve it without going away from the main idea of survival + crit talents and in general whether u think it would work or not :)

Rabagash
#2 Aug 14 2009 at 5:14 AM Rating: Decent
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The reason this probably isn't going to work is because you will run out of mana really really really fast, even in obscenely good gear, due to the simple fact that you have no regeneration *at all* and need to get by on cheaper spells and SoL procs alone. With obscene amounts of crit (50%ish) it might work, but I don't think the level of crit and int needed for it to work is attainable with the current gear around.

Feel free to give it a try though, I'm curious about it.
#3 Aug 14 2009 at 7:36 AM Rating: Decent
Hey Mozared!
Thanks for your reply, I appreciate it as well as others that might wanna give their considerations on this hybrid build.

Im definately gonna try it out and post my experiences here as I find out whether its a total looser build or not :)

Have been playing around with it abit in BGs, and it seems like in my current gear which consists of a combination of frostsavage, honor and Wintergrasp items (771 ressillience and 1400 sp) that Im very hard to kill when tagged by 2-3 enemy players and that im quite capable of keeping my teammates up due to burst healing.
So far im not suffering much from mana problems, since its pretty easy in BGs to run away and get out of combat for drinking. Im certain that mana would become a bigger issue when playing Arena, since it probably often would end out in who can outlast who...?
#4 Aug 14 2009 at 8:31 AM Rating: Good
Rabagash wrote:
I have choosen not to take meditiation


What this statement translates to is "I will not raid with this build". That's fine, as long as you realize that.

Last night, I was actually trying to find a way to take Spell Warding and Blessed Recovery, without sacrificing Penance or other key disc talents. I finally gave up.

PVP gear isn't the greatest on mana regen, and you are going to have to drink occasionally anyway, so have fun. I love penance in BG, but it does make it easy for the opposing side to notice me (actually I enjoy frustrating them).

Edited, Aug 14th 2009 12:37pm by dadanox
#5 Aug 14 2009 at 8:55 AM Rating: Good
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The combination of Surge of Light, Healing Prayers, Spirit of Redemption, and Blessed Recovery is vastly inferior to Penance plus Borrowed Time for any application, PVP or PVE. Arena is only sometimes about who can outlast who. Other times, it’s about whether your burst healing can match their burst damage, and that’s when you’d better have deep discipline’s heavy heals and shields.

Also, there’s no good reason to skip Focused Power or Power Infusion. If you’re just aching to try out a crit build, you might as well skip Improved Mana Burn (the spell has become very situational, and it can’t crit in any case, so you won’t get free Smites or/Flash Heals) to grab Focused Power, and ditch a point of Martyrdom for Power Infusion. But I just don’t see this build performing well in PVP compared to deep discipline, or even deep holy.

No offense intended, by the way, just giving my perspective.
#6 Aug 14 2009 at 10:12 AM Rating: Good
Thanks alot for your inputs Dadanox and emmitsvenson!

This build was only intended for PVP, since I have another discipline build for my raiding which isn't as experimental as this one :)

I can see your point on Focused Power instead of imp Mana Burn and also grabbing Power Infusion. Since i like Martyrdom alot, I will probably only put 1 point in Focused Power or perhaps steal 1 point from Mental Agility to put in FP instead.

My main reason for trying this build is to test how far the combination of the talents in the disc and holy tress benefitting from crit heals can take you. So far it seems promising as long as I have mana.
Have tried several times now surviving alot of burst damage from up to 3 or 4 enemy players while my teammates try to get them off my *** as well as bursthealing low life people up to full in a few seconds due to the fact that I have around 40 % crit chance on people below 50 % damage "suffering" from weakened soul effect
(Improved Flash Heal + Renewed Hope adds 14 % crit chance to this particular situation)

Ill keep posting my experiences here and hope for more inputs :)

Btw: Glyph of Pain Suppression really rocks... Nice to be able to throw it while u get stunlocked by a rogue and when its over u click stoneform to break off the rogues poisons and other crap (at least if youre a dwarf priest like me :P)
#7 Aug 18 2009 at 5:46 AM Rating: Decent
Hello again :)

I have been trying the build out for some time now and it seems more and more promising as i continue to get my resillience and stamina up. Atm im at 881 resillience and 19500 hp which makes me rather hard to kill.

I have started to think about trying out another hybrid build for even more survival which includes blessed resillience in the holy tree as well as Focused Will in the Discipline tree: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#bxIrzhGcRccZfEzI0Moi0h:moG

The build also allows me to take the glyph of Spirit of Redemption for 6 seconds extra of free healing after death, since I no longer need the glyph of pain suppression...

In the light of what I have written earlier concerning giving up mana regain by excluding meditation etc., how would you expect this build to work out in pvp when using flash heal as main healing tool?

Hope for some inputs on this one, as I really think it could work wonders survival as well as healing wise :)

Rabagash
#8 Aug 18 2009 at 9:23 AM Rating: Decent
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Just one thing that's been in my mind for ages but has never come out (due to obvious reasons): Don't grab Focused Will and Blessed Resilience in one build. Blessed Resilience effectively cancels out 2 points in Focused Will. And just 1 talent point for 1% crit really isn't worth it compared to the other stuff you can grab. Instead, very much put those points into Body & Soul and Mental Strength and voila, we've got worlds first 'holy' PvP build.

I'm thinking your build would probably be decent for survivability, though having Penance and Pain Suppression should beat it. No matter how you put it, Flash Heal has a cast time and getting interrupted could be downright horrible in that spec. Ironically enough, even though you've got Body & Soul (which allows you to have a go at kiting rogues O_o), speed is going to kill you. You'll take a serious lot less damage, but you'll have a harder time getting heals off as well and essentially this is what you should be doing most as a healer. I predict a build like this will have an easier time beating a number of melee classes in 1on1 (I'm thinking rogue and perhaps DK), but you will go out of mana very quickly and you'll suck ******** in any outlasting match. That, and you'll have a harder time keeping your allies up than you would as full disc.

That, and you'll really miss Penance the second you drop below 30% hit points.
#9 Aug 18 2009 at 10:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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Mozared wrote:
Just one thing that's been in my mind for ages but has never come out (due to obvious reasons): Don't grab Focused Will and Blessed Resilience in one build. Blessed Resilience effectively cancels out 2 points in Focused Will. And just 1 talent point for 1% crit really isn't worth it compared to the other stuff you can grab. Instead, very much put those points into Body & Soul and Mental Strength and voila, we've got worlds first 'holy' PvP build.


With the 3 points out of Focused Will, you could Finish out Mental Strength and take PI. The 6% more int will offset the crit loss from FW (not much, maybe around 2.5% loss to crit doing this). But the real reason would be to include PI for Mana Burns. If you're going to put 2 points into Imp MB, you may as well take PI to haste your burn/dispel segment. If you are not utilizing the burn as an offensive weapon, move those points elsewhere.

I'm glad you came out of DA with your build. Even with you focusing on a crit build, I don't think you will get as much return for your investment of points there. SoL procs and DA don't really play well together.

Re: Healing Prayers- Do you find yourself using PoH much? If the PoM cost is not eating you up, those 2 points in Spiritual Guidance could give a bit more oomph to your spells.
#10 Aug 19 2009 at 9:25 AM Rating: Excellent
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Being a priest and not taking Meditation in a build is like being Men Without Hats and not playing Safety Dance in a concert.

I also would never go down that far in the Disc tree and leave Penance behind. Penance is way too good for that. The second build you link is even more hybrid-y and the problem I see there is that you don't get any of the best stuff from either tree. Personally, I either want Penance or Circle of Healing in any healing build.

I'm assuming you're taking the crit gear instead of the spirit gear, and as others have noted, I don't know how you don't go out of mana really fast with this build. It's a lot easier to drink in a battleground than it is in arena, and even in a BG it can be a hassle.

Survivability is great but there's a point where you can stand there and live but not much else, and then you have to start looking hard at the trade-offs you've made.

All that said, I would never use this build, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't. You say you've been trying it and having fun with it. That's what counts.
#11 Aug 25 2009 at 8:37 AM Rating: Decent
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Quote:
Being a priest and not taking Meditation in a build is like being Men Without Hats and not playing Safety Dance in a concert.


Bravo!
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