Are you dead? Then don't tell me how to heal.Follow

Things certainly do change in this game. Less than a year ago, shielding the tank would have earned you a remark that you are starving them.

Poor, poor PW:S- So strong and so misunderstood. The Silver Surfer of WOW.

I would have said "What's a tank?"

Isn't it amazing that EVERY player in WoW knows how to heal better than you do?

Have a hunter friend misdirect to him and claim that you thought he was the tank. Good times.

The funny thing there is though, that a careful blood DK DPS should be able to get through the average heroic without anybody but himself healing him.

Sarion, I caution the use of the word "yell" in reference to your post about yelling at healers when you dip below full health. Yes you are right that in Heroics and Raids, you have to be careful when you start seeing drastic hits, but at the same time, that is the name of the game... you get hit for a 15k crit, and we are supposed to know that it was going to happen before it did? Yet your own statement says you would then begin to yell.

In most Heroics, that would get you a free repair bill courtesy of oops, meant to cast that on you but selected the other person who can tank when you die.

To be honest though, I do agree that you have to get a sense of fights and so forth, and that you should have certain spells cast on you to help mitigate huge damage spikes, but again, it is all about mitigation.

As for dps wanting heals, I agree Dadanox, if you are not dead, the group did not suffer a complete wipe, then things are okay. Not every run is perfect, and how many times do you see a dps'er pulling the same dps as the tank. Happens often enough, and yet unless you are raiding, does anyone call them out on a CONSISTENT basis... I think not.

You specifically mentioned priests and holy pallies in your first post; priests I get but I'm surprised you're finding pallies who don't know their own class well enough to just be aware that you get mana back from heals. Out of curiousity (I've never tanked), isn't your perma-DP pretty good for keeping your mana up though? Or does it just not return fast enough?

But you also have to understand your healers' class mechanics as well. With all the recent changes to regen, sometimes it's just not negotiable for certain classes/situations to cast fewer big heals rather than more small ones (although I don't know any situation where you'd intentionally let the tank get down to the 20% you mention). Priests also traditionally had a huge need to get out of the 5SR during combat, it was really the only way to maintain mana for long periods, although they've now mitigated that by making it so there is no way to maintain mana for long periods. ;)

DKs aren't as squishy as warlocks, true...but if he's not blood and no one heals him...he'll die. I promise.

IF, AMS and they'll survive until a tank gets the mob.
DK's have so many cooldowns that it takes a retarded tank to get them to die before the tank gets it.


Unless the DK sucks of course, which with the comments he made, might just be true.

Disclaimer: I am not the best geared priest, dont have the best enchants or gems, (i will once i get all top notch gear) and dont claim to know all.

Just transferred to this server maybe a week ago.

So basically a few days ago I get in a pug for H-Toc. I turn on my dps meter (standard operational procedure for me) to kind of see if this is going to be a waste of time. One out of the 4 had over 2.5k dps and the tank was tops (never a good sign, btw) with 1 warrior at 1.5k. But the tank seemed like a nice enough fella so I stayed.

We wipe 3 times on the BK. After every wipe guess who was QQ,ing bout crappy healz? Correct, the 1.5k fella. It went like this...

Him - Why are you disc spec?
Me- Disc is the shizzle.

Him - Holy is better i know for a fact!!
Me- Oh, so you have a healer? (thinking i am going to get pointers, still being positive)

Him - No, my dad plays one!!!
Me- Disc = better shields/ mitigation and I never have issues healing anything I've done. (slightly annoyed now)

Him - Whatever your healz sux!!
Me- Look Mr. 1.5k dps, got no business in H-Toc, but your gonna ride somebody elses dps, roody poo, 3 sub 200 level blue pieces having candy @$$, My daddy for President, (rant)

Him - 'silence'
Me- Exactly

I stayed only cause tank was cool cat, and I hate to quit something once i've started.

The 4th BK fight commences - we finish, lo and behold, as i peered thru the smoke and ashes, there was a corpse lying there. Anybody care to guess who that corpse was? Because I'm a stand up guy, I rezz'd him. He was the first one to leave the instance without so much as a peep.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Thunderhorn&n=Smiteonya

Lawlz..Smoopie.

Sorry I lost you. The "My daddy for Pres" thing was an offhand remark based on the young fella stating his daddy was a healer, and implying his daddy was a "better" healer.

Maybe his dad is..."oh darn"....wait....phht..dont care. It will take his daddy to heal him next time cause it wont be "moi". Roody poo - just means "chump" per say.

I believe I initially stated I don't have the best gear/chants or gems. I just pasted my armory to substantiate that fact. So your remark about them, even thou you are correct is superfluous. This is the priest forum not rogue correct? =)

But thanks nonetheless.

If you ask me, the "stunt" you shouldn't be pulling again is not bothering to communicate what you were about to do, assuming every member of a PUG has always done everything the exact way you do it, and then calling them "ignorant/unskilled" when they fail to read your mind. Just saying.

Not that you asked me.

This was a post-3.0 reg BM run. The content had been available for well over a year. Tragically, on that particular realm BM (much less heroic BM) was still considered a hard dungeon by many people. Reg BM. Not even heroic BM. For someone coming into dated content not knowing what they were doing and then assuming I had done something wrong when they botched the most basic aspect of play as a dps class in a 5-man group was pretty dumb. I had managed that pull exactly that same way numerous times as a paladin. I had seen warriors do it quite well, too. The only class tank class that wasn't easily capable of managing the trash that way at the time was a bear, which was offset by the fact that bears were rare anyways.

The bottom line was this: you never heal the dps at the expense of the tank. Period. The dps isn't going to be able to tank anything if the tank dies, but the group can often still manage if one dps goes down. In that case, it was a boneheaded move by a novice player that led to them ******** at me. They drop the ball...I get blamed. Cute.

I watched as my health was slowly whittled to nothing...I'm not kidding you when I say that I held out for a good 15 seconds with no heals whatsoever. Ardent Defender + overgeared + non-elite trash pack meant that if the ret pally had just kept their cool and not dropped a consecrate between me and the trash, everything would have been just fine. Somehow, their lapse of judgment became my mistake. The group wiped to their inexperience, not because I pulled a large pack of non-elite trash.

I did, in fact, announce that a large trash pull was incoming. I didn't think it was necessary to do a head count on crocodiles, spiders, and cats and provide them with a step-by-step description of how not to be braindead in a 5-man and drop AoE on a pack of mobs that hadn't even reached the tank yet. That's the whole point of doing the pull with Crusader Aura...you move fast enough that you rarely get hit while gathering the trash and once you have proximity aggro, you pull away so that there's a window of time between when you arrive back at the party and when the trash gets there. I dismounted, took up position, and was set to engage when the pally ran out and dropped his holy AoE goodness. Did he see me panicking? Nope. Was I running for the door? Nope. Did he see anything in chat to suggest an oops moment was imminent? Nope. He assumed that because I had died before him that I had created an unmanageable situation by pulling that many mobs. What he didn't realize was that I died because the healer was too focused on him. I wasn't about to shame the healer in /p with a comment like, "If the healer had been doing their job and healing the tank instead of you we would have been fine." I kept my feedback to the healer in /w, but that doesn't mean I was going to tolerate sniveling from a bonehead, hence their removal from the group when they kept arguing and whining.

Fundamentals are fundamentals. They don't change because you're seeing something you've never seen before.

I grew tired of dumbing down the way I play the game to suit players who will spend hundreds of hours leveling and gearing a character and still remain absolutely clueless about the basics of 5-man dungeon play. Normally if I'm with a group where players are stinking up the joint with zero-skill badism, I just leave and let them find some other poor unwary ******* to take my place. In this case, it was a double-shot of panicked ineptitude compounded by an excessive amount of QQ that left me happy to click the Uninvite option.

Making blanket rules is always wrong.

Now, if I could only find a shovel to bury this thread again. ;)

Doh! >.<