So, dual-specced Prot/Holy, I get to experience both sides I'd ever consider trying at the current time, of being a Paladin. It's nice, and I've recently started to level as Holy over Prot due to the fact that I get no downtime, whatsoever. And I love it.
In instances too. I had run Kara a week or so I'd assume after I had bought my dual-spec, and a week or so before 3.2.
And I just never went below 60%, with the normal FoL spam + HS for spike damage, or for the squishies.
However now? Ran Kara again, this time with another 80 Shockadin ( A generalisation for all Holy Paladins I take it? ) instead of my 74 Shockadin mate, and even then I went OOM in there twice, both not boss fights, and whilst popping everything I had. Healing wasn't a problem, and I had known Pallys got some sort of intellect nerf, but it felt horribly harsh when I compared that run against my previous.
Anybody else in a similar position? And dare I bring up the rage I had for the frustrating Exorcism nerf...
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Shockadin (to the best of my knowledge) was actually the nickname given to a holy pally back in BC who geared and specced in a particular way to dps.
It was never really a viable spec but just something to play with.
The healing nerf hit me pretty hard too, but basically it just means we actually have to treat that blue bar in the corner of the screen as a finite resource rather than an unlimited ocean.
Instead of hitting Divine plea every 5th pull and going on my way, I now hit it at the end of every combat, when I know damage will be low, and hit my BE racial every cd (free 1.2k mana yes please)
But I could imagine it being rather more difficult at lower levels, as changes are never balanced around sub-80 players and can cause problems.
TL;DR Yes mana is now running out faster, but at least it means we have to actually pay attention to it.
It was never really a viable spec but just something to play with.
The healing nerf hit me pretty hard too, but basically it just means we actually have to treat that blue bar in the corner of the screen as a finite resource rather than an unlimited ocean.
Instead of hitting Divine plea every 5th pull and going on my way, I now hit it at the end of every combat, when I know damage will be low, and hit my BE racial every cd (free 1.2k mana yes please)
But I could imagine it being rather more difficult at lower levels, as changes are never balanced around sub-80 players and can cause problems.
TL;DR Yes mana is now running out faster, but at least it means we have to actually pay attention to it.
Our mana regen took a punch in the wang. Replenishment took a 20% hit, our Divine Intellect was also nerfed. The change to Illumination pretty much put crit below or equivalent to Mp5 which was considered a very garbage mana regen stat for most of the expac thus far. Obviously that is going to affect how we watch mana, this is something we were all aware of when the nerfs were announced a couple months back.
You should never level as Holy and at lower levels if you dual spec and heal instances you can still drink and the fights aren't really mana intensive.
Shockadin is term for Paladins who spec in a way to increase their spike damage from spells such as holy shock etc. Back in certain early pvp situations in 2v2 the pally would be able to put out 3-5k dps in 2 gcd's and help kill an enemy that was spiking. Even in S5/S6 a paladin could go down Prot and only mid way into Holy and still heal and put out burst. For PvE Shockadins are a joke against any respectably played holy paladin.
I don't see how you go oom though, I two man Kara at lvl 80 and there have been zero mana issues, hell even at lvl 70 there are no mana issues.
You should never level as Holy and at lower levels if you dual spec and heal instances you can still drink and the fights aren't really mana intensive.
Shockadin is term for Paladins who spec in a way to increase their spike damage from spells such as holy shock etc. Back in certain early pvp situations in 2v2 the pally would be able to put out 3-5k dps in 2 gcd's and help kill an enemy that was spiking. Even in S5/S6 a paladin could go down Prot and only mid way into Holy and still heal and put out burst. For PvE Shockadins are a joke against any respectably played holy paladin.
I don't see how you go oom though, I two man Kara at lvl 80 and there have been zero mana issues, hell even at lvl 70 there are no mana issues.
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i re-specced from 51/2/18 to 51/20/0, and try to keep SS on tank all the time and spam FoL (SS give a 50% crit hit boost to FoL, worth dropping the 8 crit from the ret tree).
bottom line.... can't spam HL as before.. unless you have uber gears or something..
Edited, Aug 8th 2009 4:38pm by TyroPally
Edited, Aug 8th 2009 4:39pm by TyroPally
bottom line.... can't spam HL as before.. unless you have uber gears or something..
Edited, Aug 8th 2009 4:38pm by TyroPally
Edited, Aug 8th 2009 4:39pm by TyroPally
bodhisattva wrote:
You should never level as Holy and at lower levels if you dual spec and heal instances you can still drink and the fights aren't really mana intensive.
Shockadin is term for Paladins who spec in a way to increase their spike damage from spells such as holy shock etc. Back in certain early pvp situations in 2v2 the pally would be able to put out 3-5k dps in 2 gcd's and help kill an enemy that was spiking. Even in S5/S6 a paladin could go down Prot and only mid way into Holy and still heal and put out burst. For PvE Shockadins are a joke against any respectably played holy paladin.
Shockadin is term for Paladins who spec in a way to increase their spike damage from spells such as holy shock etc. Back in certain early pvp situations in 2v2 the pally would be able to put out 3-5k dps in 2 gcd's and help kill an enemy that was spiking. Even in S5/S6 a paladin could go down Prot and only mid way into Holy and still heal and put out burst. For PvE Shockadins are a joke against any respectably played holy paladin.
I'm a 56 holy paladin right now, and could, i guess, be called a shockadin. I'm not having any issues with leveling, and using a low-delay sword and seal of wisdom, I don't have any issues with taking out mobs 2-4 levels higher than me, although I end up using a lot of heals and the fights are long. You say we should never level holy, so what should I be doing instead?
DsComputer wrote:
bodhisattva wrote:
You should never level as Holy and at lower levels if you dual spec and heal instances you can still drink and the fights aren't really mana intensive.
Shockadin is term for Paladins who spec in a way to increase their spike damage from spells such as holy shock etc. Back in certain early pvp situations in 2v2 the pally would be able to put out 3-5k dps in 2 gcd's and help kill an enemy that was spiking. Even in S5/S6 a paladin could go down Prot and only mid way into Holy and still heal and put out burst. For PvE Shockadins are a joke against any respectably played holy paladin.
Shockadin is term for Paladins who spec in a way to increase their spike damage from spells such as holy shock etc. Back in certain early pvp situations in 2v2 the pally would be able to put out 3-5k dps in 2 gcd's and help kill an enemy that was spiking. Even in S5/S6 a paladin could go down Prot and only mid way into Holy and still heal and put out burst. For PvE Shockadins are a joke against any respectably played holy paladin.
I'm a 56 holy paladin right now, and could, i guess, be called a shockadin. I'm not having any issues with leveling, and using a low-delay sword and seal of wisdom, I don't have any issues with taking out mobs 2-4 levels higher than me, although I end up using a lot of heals and the fights are long. You say we should never level holy, so what should I be doing instead?
There was a player who leveled 1-70 in grey gear, I had a friend who didn't know any better and leveled a druid as resto. Just cause you can do it doesn't mean its the best way to get there. That needs to be qualified by saying different strokes for different folks.
That being said the quickest way to 80 is, and always has been Ret. For awhile Prot was comparable once you got past lvl 35 or so, however with reduced xp needed to level, and increased xp from quests ret is king for leveling. Kill mobs faster, clear quests faster 15% run/mount speed cutting out travel time over the days of leveling etc. It is not really even open to debate it's a generally accepted fact of life by the community. If you have fun, play holy all you want. If you want to ding 80 rather painlessly you go ret. Especially at lvl 56, you will be fricking OP.
And I am saying that as a guy who has played as Holy (and leveled mostly as prot) for 3 years now.
Edited, Aug 11th 2009 6:55pm by bodhisattva
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It's respec time. I'm gonna give it a shot. I'm not really sure if I enjoy playing holy, it just seems the "safe" route, so I spec'd for it. Lets see how this goes.
Mana bar gets depleted quickly if you don't pay attention. Mana management is a new skill we must acquire.
In vanilla wow, I levelled paladin to 60 as prot. Not recommended for all, but it was the playstyle I enjoyed most. Plus I could tank instances along the way.
In vanilla wow, I levelled paladin to 60 as prot. Not recommended for all, but it was the playstyle I enjoyed most. Plus I could tank instances along the way.
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Posted: Aug 16 2009 at 2:51 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You see this is why you get a reputation as an opinionated ***, bodi. It's bad enough you telling people how they should or shouldn't play at 80, because I suppose at least they might be in your party and you're considering how they could be gimping parties they are in, but you actually have the nerve to tell people how they should grind to 80? Just STFU for God's sake, man. It's none of your business. Stop being so damn prescriptive.
I levelled 1-70 or so as Prot, and after buying duel-spec Holy, I've enjoyed questing so much more.
I can kill faster, I don't get the downtime that I have if I don't have enough mobs hitting me, and it's a rather different change from multi-mobbing.
Plus, Aura Mastery + Crusader Aura = Win.
I can kill faster, I don't get the downtime that I have if I don't have enough mobs hitting me, and it's a rather different change from multi-mobbing.
Plus, Aura Mastery + Crusader Aura = Win.
graspee wrote:
bodhisattva wrote:
You should never level as Holy
Nerd rage?
I did say
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That needs to be qualified by saying different strokes for different folks.
I also said
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If you have fun, play holy all you want. If you want to ding 80 rather painlessly you go ret. Especially at lvl 56, you will be fricking OP.
Read it all, then respond. It will make you seem less butthurt about what a random person says on the internet, something that puts hair on your chest irl.
Bode - 100 Holy Paladin - Lightbringer
#12REDACTED,
Posted: Aug 16 2009 at 11:38 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I did read it all but the fact remains that in your initial statement you said never to level as holy, without qualification. I pointed out that this is why people saw you as an opinionated ***.
graspee wrote:
I did read it all but the fact remains that in your initial statement you said never to level as holy, without qualification. I pointed out that this is why people saw you as an opinionated ***.
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That needs to be qualified by saying different strokes for different folks.
Saying you understand something =/= means you understand something.
But really, do I need to respond further and get dragged into some Cantonese Slap fight of failure because my initial statement was worded strongly to strike a nerve?
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#14REDACTED,
Posted: Aug 17 2009 at 4:22 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You're the one who has reading comprehension failure. Read what you quoted. I said in your initial statement you said never to level as holy, without qualification. Your qualification came in a subsequent post. And you didn't strike a nerve. Saying that you did is just a common internet cheap way of trying to looking like the superior person. "Oh look at my opponent! He's so flustered and waving his arms around!"
I came for the posts about the nerf. I'm staying to see where this thread goes....
/now where did I put my popcorn....
/now where did I put my popcorn....
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Saying you understand something =/= means you understand something.
Another quote that bears rereading.
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