3.2 HealingFollow

Healing meters are for noobs. Comparing healing when healers have been assigned to different targets is pointless. Comparing overhealing when some people's overhealing from certain spells doesn't actually show as overhealing (I'm looking at you, druids) is fail too.

What do you judge then? Alternatively, have you not taken JotP and gone elsewhere in the Holy tree?

I heard something about Boss damage being scaled down a little to allow for the absense of a HL bombing pala. Anyone seen evidence of this so far?

Bodhi, I also wanted to ask what role you see yourself in the raid now? My thoughts were that disc priests + 1 other (possibly a LHW shammy) would be on tank heals, Holy Priests and Droods still on the raid, palas on raid too aiding with Beacon on tank?

hello i am a lv79 pally 10% from lv80, but this change scares me a bit.

the BoL change is nice, now i can heal other targets all the time, but keeping BoL and SS on ALL THE TIME is very mana consuming (SS trains like 12% each 30 sec right? BoL is in the 800 mana per 1min).

and the major mana regain we have, is cut from 60% to 30%... only a half is left.

i am currently 51/1/18... i went for the ret tree for its extra 8% crit.

but since with only get HALF of the mana returns of what we used to get in patch 3.1, is the 18 talent point spent in the ret tree still worth it?

if you spend 18 points in protection tree, you well get an 11% increase of total heals done, since now FoL will be more heavily used, should i re-spec and go for 51/18/2?


thanks!

Pretty sure this meant 51 Holy/1 Prot/18 Ret and the poster was saying they subspecced Ret for the crit as opposed to subspeccing Prot.

Edited, Aug 6th 2009 3:17am by Maulgak

Completely arbitrary and I have no evidence to support this but I reckon 500 Haste as a minimum working towards 600 ish or whatever the GCD cap is.

I was concerned with not being able to HL spam after the patch, since every forum pallies were complaining it would be a huge loss of mana regen, which it was. But to be honest im not having that many issues.

Yes its a loss in mana regen and i can definately tell, before the patch my mana would never drop below 50% even when im constantly spamming the tank, or raid, or whoever.

We stepped into 25man Trial of the Crusader...lots of healing going around, LOOOOONG fight, 3 mobs back to back no rest in between. 2 Healers died early on, and i was still able to spam HL for 75% of the time. Occasionally in drops of action i would spam FoL, reminded me of old times ;-). But i dont see any reason why pallies cant still do what they were doing before. Especially since i know alot of healers play without actually targetting the person they are healing, which allows them to easily get a few smacks of Seal of Wisdom. More difficult for me since i prefer to target the person im healing.

Mana is still NOT an issue imo, just need to learn when you can FoL without endangering anyone, learn to use your CDs wisely, coordinate with other healers when you are going to Divine Plea so they can pick up slack and you should be more then fine.

no i never been a ret pally... have been holy pally all the way... i just got to lv80 yesterady~~

before this patch, i was thinking when i reach lv80, my talent tree would be 51/2/18.

but actually yesterday i just went for 51/20 (and i needed to re-spec)....... never been to heroics yet even... will find out how it goes...

the reason for going 51/20, is that with the importance of keeping SS up all the time in patch 3.2, i would need to have the prot talent Divine Guardian(it makes SS lasts 1 min instead of 30 sec), but this is a 15-point talent, in fact after spending 2 points on divine guardian, its 51/17/0, and i only have 3 talent points left.

so i could either go for benediction in the ret tree, or improve devo aura in the prot tree, i either get a 6% reduction of instant casts, or 6% more healing... the increase of healing seems more promising.


but over all... this change in 3.2 made me feel un-easy as a pally healer...

i mean.. before this patch, all i need to worry about is stacking super high Int and Crit, and i am set.

now i am not sure what to do... patch 3.2 no doubt make healidan more versatile, we have improved BoL, FoLot, bubble+Divine Sacrifice tactics(if used well could be a powerful save.. but wouldn't reflect on any meters right?), and a 3-min cool down Hand of Protection...


but for some reason.. i just feel the old set-up of High Int and Crit + spamming HL...... is more "fault proof", with the old patch's mana efficiency... things seems to be less likely to "go wrong"(now i have to alt between FoL and HL)...........

thank you...

i am just a bit puzzle now... should i take the 50% reduction of mana return (from 60% down to 30%) and keep the old 51/2/18 talent tree set-up, or go for the improved 51/20 talent tree (improved in the sense that its not nerfed and the heal on SS is better)?

also i am new to being a lv80 pally healer... is there any addon that i can keep track of my Beacon of Light and Sacred Shield status (specially how long before i need to re-cast)?? i found it very tiresome checking down to the seconds in the middle of all the fights...

thanks for the answer~~

ClassTimers is a decently popular addon that will track things like SS, BoL on your target as well as your JotP and other buffs on yourself.

thank you guys for replying~



i have the same concern and really like the old 51/2/18 setup.

but after some simply calculation, i just have some doubts about 51/20 might perform better over 51/2/18 even in the mana efficiency department.

here is my calculation.

heal used: FoL, assuming 2000 heals using 200 mana (round number for easy calculation).

spell critical hit: 150% increase of heal.

patch 3.1 illumiation mana reduction: 60% (60% is "returned" to you)
patch 3.2 illumination mana reduction: 30%

the difference between the 51/2/18 setup and the 51/20 setup, is the former has 8% more crit hit rate, the latter with 9% more heals (51/2/18 put 2 points in prot tree to get 2% more heals).

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the efficiency of 51/20 didn't change in patch 3.2, for a 2000 heal FoL, it outputs 2180 consistently, maintaining the 200 mana consumption on each cast.

so for every 100 cast of Fol, the efficiency of 51/20, is (2180*100)/(200*100), which is 10.9 heal per mana.
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for patch 3.1, 51/2/18 setup's efficiency is like this: (8% more crit rate).

for every 100 cast, there will be 8 crit hits (8% more crit rate).

each crit hits will hit for 2000*150%, which is 3000, and return 120 mana, which means it only cost 80 mana.

so the result of every 100 cast is (2000*92+3000*8)/(200*92+80*8) = 10.925 heals per mana.

comparing to 10.9, the 51/2/18 setup in patch 3.1, is indeed more mana efficient than the 51/20 setup.

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but for the 3.2 patch, the mana return is drastically reduce to half, it returns only 60 mana now (from a 200 mana heal), which mean the spell would cost 140 mana, so for every 100 cast, the efficiency is:

(2000*92+3000*8)/(200*92+140*8)=10.655 heals per mana

it is a pretty big drop from the 3.1 patch of 10.925.
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if we think "percentage".

patch 3.1 51/2/18 setup, increases the efficiency by 9.25%
51/20 setup, increases the efficiency by 9%
patch 3.2 51/2/18 setup, increases the efficiency by 6.55%

if we think about the 9/6.55 "gain ratio", its about a 35% difference in gain, which i think is a lot.

*** of course, i am not assuming the problem of "over heal", the 9% gain from 51/20 could all be over heals if not used right, but again... the unpredictables nature of crit hit heals also have an over heal problem. ***


and you have to consider, with the 51/20 setup, your SS would last "twice" as long (basically saves you 400 mana each min, assuming we want to keep SS up all the time.. i really don't care about the 400 mana, but i don't have to spend time tracking and recasting SS every 30 sec), and you have the valuable "Buuble + Divine Sacrifice" tactic from the 51/20 setup.


i mean... i really love the mana efficiency of 51/2/18 in patch 3.1 ..... and i really hope Blizzard could give us the improved BoL without nerfing it (why nerf us? is pally healer going to be "overpowered" just with this improved BoL?). but mathematically i think the illumination nerf is too big of a cut and makes spending 18 talents point just to get 8% more crit not that worth it.........

Poor example, since P1 and P2 on Hardmode are pretty much easy mode Iron Council. And by pretty much I mean exactly the same in terms of damage on tanks.



Really it is a matter of gear and content.


1) If you are gearing up, if you are working on Naxx or even working on Yogg in 25 man then go some variation of 51/X/15, because the crit is worth having.


2) If you have Yogg down and are working on hardmodes then you should be geared to the point that you dont need it. Also Divine Sac + Bubble on hardmodes is pretty much the bees knees. Which is why pretty much every top 100 world holy paladin is Holy/Prot most of the time.


Edit - I haven't been paying much attention to the ptr but




But how does affect 51/20 unless they are nerfing Bubble Sac finally and I missed the notes? :Talents

* Judgements of the Just: The reduction in cooldown to Hammer of Justice provided by this talent has been reduced to 5/10 seconds instead of 10/20 seconds.
* Touched by the Light: This talent now provides 20/40/60% of the paladin’s strength as spell power instead of 10/20/30% of the paladin’s stamina.

Edited, Aug 24th 2009 11:35pm by bodhisattva

Personally, I still prefer the Heroism emblem libram that reduces Holy Light cost by like 340 something mana. Even though I'm not spamming it anymore that's a huge cost reduction.

There are very few encounters where I don't have big enough heals. I grab the talents to increase healing, but as far as gear and glyphs I aim for longevity.

If you're talking about arenas however, that might be a different story. Mortal Strike and other mortal strike like abilities may make a higher need for higher spell power. But I don't know. I don't arena.