Earlier today my friend asked me why pretty much all specs he could find included Annihilation. Literaly every build that seems to hover around EJ that does not include Scourge Strike seems to have it. Even the Cookie cutter Blood tanking build. While I was trying to defend Obliterate, I figured that I simply couldn't. The thing is that Obliterate does exactly the same thing as Death Strike, with the exception that Death Strike seems to deal more damage and even gives a bit of self-healing.
Can somebody elaborate and enlighten me as to why Obliterate is better then Deadly Strike, even in a tanking build? If it were up to me I wouldn't put all those points in frost just to get OB's damage on par with DS's, and something like this or even this seems a lot more logical for a tanking spec.
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To be honest, I quit reading EJ for death knights a long time ago. Back in BC it was THE place to go for my hunter's dps, but I've seen so much stuff there that is just flat our wrong. Stuff that might look like it would work on paper, but once you actually try it in a raid, it isn't worth anything. I actually find this website, and MMO-Champion to be far better resources for finding people that actually know what they're talking about (for the most part) when it comes to death knights.
I see absolutely no reason why you would take annihilation, except maybe the crit. Still I don't think black ice is worth dumping points into (for tanking) just to get 3% crit. I would much rather increased damage on my death coils and a reduced death and decay, plus more strength (read: parry) than I would a little crit. I think it's just theorycrafting, and not very good theorycrafting at that. This reconfirms my belief that the DKs at EJ have no clue.
I see absolutely no reason why you would take annihilation, except maybe the crit. Still I don't think black ice is worth dumping points into (for tanking) just to get 3% crit. I would much rather increased damage on my death coils and a reduced death and decay, plus more strength (read: parry) than I would a little crit. I think it's just theorycrafting, and not very good theorycrafting at that. This reconfirms my belief that the DKs at EJ have no clue.
ive seen oblit crit higher than DS.
however, for blood tanking, i cant imagine using oblit over DS. doesnt make sense; DS hits almost as hard, and tosses in healing to boot.
but for straight damage, a properly glyphed oblit hits likes a truck. the question is, does blood-specced DS hit harder than blood-specced oblit? i dont know, but i do know that with average gear at 80 my frost DK with the oblit glyph was critting for upwards of 5k on plate without a shield. scourge strike would hit harder on plate of course, but for being a purely physical attack, oblit hurts like eight ******* on a ***** boat.
however, for blood tanking, i cant imagine using oblit over DS. doesnt make sense; DS hits almost as hard, and tosses in healing to boot.
but for straight damage, a properly glyphed oblit hits likes a truck. the question is, does blood-specced DS hit harder than blood-specced oblit? i dont know, but i do know that with average gear at 80 my frost DK with the oblit glyph was critting for upwards of 5k on plate without a shield. scourge strike would hit harder on plate of course, but for being a purely physical attack, oblit hurts like eight ******* on a ***** boat.
Obliterate lost it's allure for me as a Blood Tank when 3.1 was released, ever since I've been using my glyphed Death Strike, even for Blood DPS.
I believe you had to put in 13 talents into Frost to get an Obliterate that doesn't consume diseases. I did some math, and even with the Obliterate glyph, you were still out damaging Death Strike, and since they had the same rune cost, Obliterate won out since more damage = more threat.
However, with how they tweaked it with 3.1, Obliterate was not ideal for Blood Tanking. Obviously Blood is built for self healing and a lot of survivability, and the way that the glyph works, Death Strike just overshadowed it.
I'm doing more damage now in a Blood DPS role with DS than I did with Obliterate. I was at 1.6K DPS, now I'm at 1.9, on occasion I'm going over that.
If you're heavy into Blood, go with Death Strike.
Still, I'll always have a soft spot for my old friend Obliterate, running around Zangramarsh laughing at the big numbers popping up.
I believe you had to put in 13 talents into Frost to get an Obliterate that doesn't consume diseases. I did some math, and even with the Obliterate glyph, you were still out damaging Death Strike, and since they had the same rune cost, Obliterate won out since more damage = more threat.
However, with how they tweaked it with 3.1, Obliterate was not ideal for Blood Tanking. Obviously Blood is built for self healing and a lot of survivability, and the way that the glyph works, Death Strike just overshadowed it.
I'm doing more damage now in a Blood DPS role with DS than I did with Obliterate. I was at 1.6K DPS, now I'm at 1.9, on occasion I'm going over that.
If you're heavy into Blood, go with Death Strike.
Still, I'll always have a soft spot for my old friend Obliterate, running around Zangramarsh laughing at the big numbers popping up.
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It looks like Blizzard has made it so each tree uses a specific FU strike for it's build. Frost is oblit, Unholy is SS, and Blood is DS.
The 8 points it takes to get annihilate is too steep for Oblit to be viable for blood to me. Even if oblit is stronger, Blood doesn't rely on the FU strike. It's more for DRs over anything (the damage is very nice). HS is the money in that tree, so wasting 8 points to affect a skill that is not your top damage dealer is too steep.
It doesn't make any sense to have Imp DS and Annihilate.
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Edited, Jul 18th 2009 1:02pm by Gikkers
The 8 points it takes to get annihilate is too steep for Oblit to be viable for blood to me. Even if oblit is stronger, Blood doesn't rely on the FU strike. It's more for DRs over anything (the damage is very nice). HS is the money in that tree, so wasting 8 points to affect a skill that is not your top damage dealer is too steep.
It doesn't make any sense to have Imp DS and Annihilate.
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Edited, Jul 18th 2009 1:02pm by Gikkers
Also, to the people who are saying you can glyph Obliterate, you have to keep in mind that you can also glyph DS. Comparing a glyphed OB to an unglyphed DS is unfair really, if you want to add in the glyphs you should compare glyphed OB to glyphed DS.
Thanks a bunch for the responses. Looks like I'll have to play around with my Blood tanking spec some more, or perhaps even voice the question in the EJ forums.
Thanks a bunch for the responses. Looks like I'll have to play around with my Blood tanking spec some more, or perhaps even voice the question in the EJ forums.
Just so you know, I do not see Annihilation in many specs, it is in a lot, but not all.
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