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#1 Jul 14 2009 at 8:02 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm thinking of picking up my rogue alt again and I have badges/shards to burn so I was wondering if combat swords was still the "premo" leveling spec for rogues or if it had changed with all the new changes they put in.

Should I go with the swords or daggers, and any spec help would be appreciated as well. Not looking for uber raid dps just fast leveling.
#2 Jul 14 2009 at 9:21 AM Rating: Good
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Unless your Rogue is 50 go for the swords. Daggers are only good with Mutilate.
#3 Jul 14 2009 at 10:54 AM Rating: Decent
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Well she's at 36 so 14 levels till mut and then 30 levels after. Should I tough it out till 50 with ah weapons then grab the daggers?
#4 Jul 14 2009 at 12:00 PM Rating: Good
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Thats up to you, both Combat and Mutilate have their Pros and Cons for leveling. Off the top of my head...

Mutilate Pros
-Great Burst, CS->Muti->KS->Muti->Muti->Evis and they are dead.
-Better moevement speed, you can pick up the Fleet Footed Talent and get places that much faster
-Overkill, if you're stealthing alot of the time, you should be, you get the increased energy regen

Mutilate Cons
-Lacks AoE
-Lacks CDs that have a big effect

Combat Pros
-Insane energy regen, Vitallity and Combat Potency are so nice and alwasy work
-More CDs, you have Blade Flurry, Adrenaline Rush, and later on Killing spree all of which do something significant.
-Great AoE, pop your CDs and you can kill several mobs at once in the span of the CDs
-Lightning Reflexes, 6% Dodge is not a bad thing for soloing
-Precision, Precision is very nice for rogue even while leveling. Hit is good.

Combat Cons
-Lacks Burst
-Can get boring according to some

Hopefully someone else will be able to chime in with some pros and cons as well, its been a long time since I've leveled my rogue.
#5 Jul 14 2009 at 1:48 PM Rating: Good
Quite frankly, I found leveling as combat still to be much easier than mutilate due to the ability of AoE damage (Evasion -> Adrenaline Rush -> Blade Flurry). I can't tell you how many times those three has helped me when I pulled too many mobs. Sure, mutilate could blind one, sap one, etc. But I'm the type that likes to blow them all down at once Smiley: tongue
#6 Jul 31 2009 at 9:59 PM Rating: Good
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Both specs can get utterly boring after a while. Doing quests like the Nesingwary grinds as a Muti rogue can be highly annoying, while at the same time it also sucks if you could stealth past mobs and have to do that at regular reduced speed.

I'd look at your server environment mostly. I'm on a PvP server with a totally messed up faction ratio. This results in spending just about as much time on world PvP as I do on the actual quests. Combat is less than ideal for that.

Planning on doing instances as you level? Blade Flurry, Adrenaline Rush, and Killing Spree will put you significantly above other rogues since there is no FoK to compensate until level 80. (not like you could keep up with mages or hunters)

Then there is weapons...

Sure, BoA daggers would make up for the dagger shortage until you hit Outland, but once you hit the mid-70s you'll have a ton of daggers from quests and instances to pick from. Titansteel Shanker and Paper Cutter are guaranteed "drops" at 80. It doesn't look so great for Combat then. You're getting truly amazing Fists from both a quest and Nexus and Utgarde Keep once you get to Northrend, but things are a mess between 75 and 80. Seems like you're dealing with shortage and oversupply either way, just at different times in your leveling career.

Planning on doing a Pally or Warrior at some point? A BoA sword would be awsome to have then, while no class can really make efficient use of daggers other than rogues.

What about money on your main toon(s)? I bought my rogue dual-spec at 70, so now I can switch between a hack'n'slash combat build for grinding quests and the occasional dungeon and an ambushing Sub build for world PvP and times when I want to be sneaky. Best 1000g I spent on an alt so far since playing (and leveling) an alt has to be all about fun for me. Dual-spec gives me just that, because I can perfectly match my playing style to my mood as well as complete quests in the most efficient way.

Btw, the best way to spend tokens (if you havent done so yet) is to buy the WG shoulders. The 10% XP bonus is huge and will benefit whatever spec you decide to level with. Plus them being leather means that anything you could roll in the future will benefit as well, unless you decide to roll a clothie.

So... I think a BoA sword is overall the best choice. If combat starts to bore you sh*tless, you could always do a Hemo build or some crazy hybrid or whatever for some variety. It's just questing after all. Hell, you wouldn't even have to change glyphs if you get the Evis one, which should be mandatory for leveling anyway regardless of what spec you choose.


Little edit to elaborate on the choices at 75-80:

If you wanted Combat, unless you were a blacksmith or have a BoA sword, you'd be Combat Maces to make use of

Crimson Cranium Crusher (Amphitheater of Anguish)

There just isn't any alternative. No fist at all, and the only decent MH sword available at 75 (74 actually) would be

Savage Cobalt Slicer (crafted)

You could get lucky at 78 in UP and get

Ymiron's Blade

Unfortunately this sword isn't even an upgrade to the CCC. Same goes for

Corroded Saronite Edge

This one you couldn't even get unless you were a blacksmith.

At the same time though, you have four MH daggers to choose from:

http://www.wowhead.com/?compare=44746;41183;44051;41825

They're all so damn close in their stats that it doesn't even matter which one you pick for your final stretch of leveling.

So ultimately, this here is what you need to work with:

http://www.wowhead.com/?compare=41824;41182;37065;41186;37065;44096;42944;44746;41825;41183;44051

At 80 your BoA weapons will be obsolete since there will be the full array of BoE weapons available to you as well as those from the Argent Tournament. So frankly, unless you have another future alt in mind, you might be better off just buying honor tokens and whatnot if you have too many badges laying around. You can easily do

Combat Swords now until you hit Northrend
Combat Fists Northrend Start until 75
Combat Maces or Mutilate 75-80

without having any significant disadvantage compared to using the BoA weapons.

Bah, another addition:

Forgot to put the Emblem heirloom sword into the comparison, but not gonna change that again. Also, the heirloom weapons are well worth the old unrestricted enchants, so that's something to consider as well. If nothing else, it wins on the coolness factor. (2x15 agi just ain't that great anymore once you're 70+)

Edited, Aug 1st 2009 10:41am by Kanngarnix
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