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#1 Jul 09 2009 at 3:10 AM Rating: Decent
1- i use seal of command most of the time and it says that unleashing the seal will do xxxxxx damage , my question is how do you unleash the seal of command
2- all the seals have judgements except for the seal of command why?, and if it has a judgement where do i get it from as i didn't get it from the trainer
3- what are the macros?? and what do they do
4- what is ment by raiding i know that PVP is player vs palyer (arena & battle ground) , and PVE is questing so what is raiding and when can start doing it and how?
5-i am lvl 58 now but this is my first charecter i don't have that many freinds and no one seem to answer me when playing so i want some one to tell me how to get good gear other than AH
6- finally any advices on what gear and stats i should be looking for and also what armour should be acceptable i stand now at 3800 unbuffed
#2 Jul 09 2009 at 4:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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Well first of all, welcome to WoW and especially welcome to Allakhazam. Just with you being here, you are already a step above the "average" player. There is so much information that you will find in the stickies and in regular posts that if half of it sinks in, you will be well on your way to doing whatever you want to do.

I will let others answer #1 & #2 but I think that anytime you use any judgement, that unleashes whatever seal you have on you. (I just came back to pally and boy have things changed in the last couple years)

#3: Macros are commands you bind to a certain key/button. They use to be used a lot more than they are now. For instance, a have a macro on my Death Knight (who does herbs/mining) to toggle back and forth between the two "find herbs" and "find minerals" actions by pressing a certain key.

#4: Raiding is end game stuff. I'm not sure if you have done any instances yet but if you have you know those are 5 man groups. Raids are 10 or 25 man groups taking on MUCH harder "instances." This is generally where you get the best gear in the game for PvE.

#5: Since you are 58, you should get your rookie butt into the Outlands right now. The gear you get from drops and quests out there will be AWESOME compared to what you have before you get to the Outlands. Other than that, just work on getting to 80. Once there you can really try to get better gear by getting rep with certain factions and/or having people make gear for you (or just buy off of the AH)

#6: It really depends on what spec you are so I suggest you read the stickies for that. I will assume you are Ret so find plate gear with Strength basically

#3 Jul 09 2009 at 5:47 AM Rating: Good
I personally don't know how you get to 58 not knowing -anything-... but I'll bite.

1: You use a Judgment, usually Judgment of Light
2: Not all Seals have Judgments. Just use Light forever.
3: Macros are 1 button scripts. Look at guides for info, you don't need any until later on really.
4: Raiding is generally at 80 now. There are old raids but not many run them with low level players. A raid is 6-40 players.
5: Quest.
6: Since you have SoC, I assume you are Ret. You will be aiming for Plate gear with Strength, Crit, and Haste. Don't bother buying gear aside like every 10 levels since leveling is so fast you'll outgrow most things you buy. Armor/Defense means nothing.
#4 Jul 09 2009 at 10:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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Welcome to the board. There are all types of players around here - raiders anywhere from world-ranked to classically casual, and the casual-core like me in between, some who live for PvP only, and some for whom there is no "endgame", they just keep playing the game. But an honest question, at any level, generally gets an honest answer.

As for 1&2, the seal/judgement system has changed quite a bit over time, and the in-game language describing it hasn't all caught up. When I started, there were a number of seals, but only one Judgement, and the effect of the judgement was based on the seal, and consumed the seal - i.e. the judgement "unleashed" whatever seal was up. At the moment, seals and judgements are linked in the sense that you can only judge if you are sealed, but the effects are independent. So you can mix and match on demand without the preplanning of the old days (for example, as a holy paladin, I seal wisdom for raids, but judge wisdom or light variously based on the situation).

A macro is a small script. It can do more than a simple command you type into the /chat window, but not quite as much as a full-fledged addon. Their power to make decisions is very limited, so they can't do much - you can't, say, write a macro to use Hammer of Wrath if the target is under 20% health and Exorcism otherwise. But you can do simple things like making sure that Divine Illumination is always cast immediately before a Holy Light.

Raiding is, at its simplest, just putting together a group of more than 5 people to accomplish what a party cannot. Typically, it's in the context of a group of 10 or 25 level-capped players attacking an instance like Ulduar that was designed to test a raid. But you also commonly see raid groups for PvP battlegrounds, world PvP like attacking enemy cities, or taking down an elite like a world dragon. It could even be 40 level 1 characters trying for Hogger in Elwynn Forest. As I implied above, the raiding we usually think of when we say "raiding" is generally done at the level cap, currently 80. As for how, it's organized like 5-man instancing, but larger - guilds are organized specifically around raiding, and your server will have some amount of pick-up group (PUG) raiding outside of guilds.

The best gear is found in the toughest content. That means 5-man instances and (eventually) raids. Until you get close to the level cap, though, doing instances just for the gear (as opposed to doing it for fun or for practice) isn't worth it. Anything you'd get right now from Sunken Temple, even if is an improvement currently, will be obsolete about three seconds after you hit Outland - and much the same is true for Shadow Labyrinth/Northrend ten levels from now. Do your research (i.e. the FAQ here), ask questions, learn your class/spec - learn what stats are important to you (for a ret pally, Strength, Hit, Expertise give the best bang for the buck) and which aren't (for a ret pally, Haste and Armor Penetration). When you know what you are looking for, quest rewards supplemented with cheap crafted gear and an occasional AH purchase (if it's a real good value) will do you just fine. Especially for your first character, you don't have the spare gold to buy your upgrades when they will be useful for such a short time before you'd have to buy another.

For a leveling Ret paladin, you want to concentrate on damage and survivability. This generally means Strength and Stamina - especially before Outland, where the choices open up. You won't go wrong by sticking to plate and mail with STR/STA, that will keep your health and armor up (don't worry about armor rating, stick with metal and the tiny differences won't matter). Avoid holy paladin plate and shaman mail with spellpower and intellect - that used to be good, but now you want to be geared more like a warrior or death knight. Later, the stat choices will open up quite a bit, but that won't matter much unless you want to do endgame content.
#5 Jul 09 2009 at 10:29 PM Rating: Good
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Welcome to the Paladin boards :)

ElMuneco wrote:
As for 1&2, the seal/judgement system has changed quite a bit over time, and the in-game language describing it hasn't all caught up. When I started, there were a number of seals, but only one Judgement, and the effect of the judgement was based on the seal, and consumed the seal - i.e. the judgement "unleashed" whatever seal was up. At the moment, seals and judgements are linked in the sense that you can only judge if you are sealed, but the effects are independent. So you can mix and match on demand without the preplanning of the old days (for example, as a holy paladin, I seal wisdom for raids, but judge wisdom or light variously based on the situation).


El did a good job explaining this, I just want to further the thought a bit. When El says "mix and match" it means whatever Seal you have up and whatever Judgement spell you choose to use really have no effect on each other. In the Seal spells where it says "unleashing the Seal" or whatever, that effect is in addition to whatever Judgement you choose to use. So, if you have Seal of Righteous up (which "unleashing" it does a certain amount of damage), you will do that damage in addition to whatever Judgement you use: either Judgement of Light (heal when you strike the target), Wisdom (gain mana by striking the target), of Justice (prevent them from fleeing).

Not every Seal also has a Judgement spell of the same name, just 3, so don't worry about having missed any :)

Macros: there is a page devoted to macros and how to make them that you might be interested in on the World of Warcraft homepage, found here.

Only other thing I'd like to expound upon is your question about gear. Like El said, it won't matter quite as much leveling, but depending on what you want to do at max level, you'll need to know what stats affect you best and which ones to avoid. This all depends on what style of play you want: Holy for healing, Protection for tanking, or Retribution for DPSing. All 3 require different gear, so decide what you'd like to do, then read up on what stats make that particular spec work best. You can find gear guides both here and on other sites to help you gear up as you reach the level cap, and of course can always feel free to ask questions here.

Most of all make sure whatever you do that it is fun for you :D
#6 Jul 11 2009 at 5:14 AM Rating: Decent
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As you are a newish player i would not worry about macros yet , not sure that there are many that are worth it anyway.

Read the top posts in the pally forum and be sure to read about the different trees you can put talents in i think retribution is still the best at your level as its good for solo stuff.

As for gear and stats i think its answered in the top sticky post as it depends a bit on which tree you are using.

Raiding is just a large high level group and i guess can be fun if you like it.

My best advice is try and chat to people as much as possible and when you find a friendly character see if they are in a decent guild as there are usually a few good ones on each server and if you can find one willing to teach you and guide you it will be a lot easier , like my guild is for all levels and all from casual to hard raiding are in my guild we all are friends picked up by chance encounters ingame and its a lot of fun that way.
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