Yeah, I know I don't have any pvp gear, and my hit is a little low, but can someone tell me why I can't kill anyone? Doing these fire quests, and I keep getting ganked. I die in 5 seconds flat. I know shamans suck at pvp in general, but good god, I couldn't have a heart attack and die any quicker. I can't even come close. By the time I summon feral spirits, I'm dead. . At 70, I didn't have these kind of problems, sure, I got killed sometimes, but I at least made them work for it. And I won more times than not.
I'm talking world pvp here, which can spring upon you at any time, I don't do BGs or arena, so I don't have any pvp gear. I expect to get nailed by peeps decked out with lots of resilience, but I'm getting killed by people in blues. This is getting frustrating. Why do I suck so badly?
Oh yeah, I'm enhancement, btw.
Edited, Jun 24th 2009 4:38am by JRRNeiklot
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Your just going to have deal with it. 1v1 ele and especially enh shams are crap. I have Great PvE and decent PvP sets for both specs and I've realized there's just no chance against most classes. The sad thing is I can kill hunters, frost mages, warriors, spriests, and some rogues are resto, but I'll get eatin alive as a "dps spec".
On the bright side you'll do fine in raids as any spec :)
On the bright side you'll do fine in raids as any spec :)
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Thanks for the reply. Yeah, I do fine in raids. I'm geared mostly with 25 man Naxx, couple of pices from Ulduar, and I usually am #1 dps on single target mobs, top 3 overall, but I get OWNED in pvp. Very frustrating.
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Posted: Jun 24 2009 at 1:17 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Its more than likely user error. Shamans are crap in pvp if the player is too dumb to manage the enormous amount of abilities shamans have. In pvp you have to balance offense and defense. They are by far the most difficult class to play because you have to have the brain capacity to be able to make quick decisions like which totems to drop against certain classes and when to use your earth shock so its not on CD when somebody is about to one shot your ***. Shamans are incredible if you are a good player. If you can't succeed as a shaman, then you should probably roll a death knight.
flaminroids wrote:
If you can't succeed as a shaman, then you should probably roll a death knight.
Death knights. Curing AIDS and ending world hunger since 2008.
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Its more than likely user error. Shamans are crap in pvp if the player is too dumb to manage the enormous amount of abilities shamans have. In pvp you have to balance offense and defense. They are by far the most difficult class to play because you have to have the brain capacity to be able to make quick decisions like which totems to drop against certain classes and when to use your earth shock so its not on CD when somebody is about to one shot your ***. Shamans are incredible if you are a good player. If you can't succeed as a shaman, then you should probably roll a death knight.
I don't know about taking advice from a person who's 80 had no arena teams and a grand total of 47 HKs and only shaman experience at level 80 is exactly zero. No offense dude, but it's like asking the Pope what's the best way to pick up chicks at a bar.
DarkHybridX wrote:
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Its more than likely user error. Shamans are crap in pvp if the player is too dumb to manage the enormous amount of abilities shamans have. In pvp you have to balance offense and defense. They are by far the most difficult class to play because you have to have the brain capacity to be able to make quick decisions like which totems to drop against certain classes and when to use your earth shock so its not on CD when somebody is about to one shot your ***. Shamans are incredible if you are a good player. If you can't succeed as a shaman, then you should probably roll a death knight.
I don't know about taking advice from a person who's 80 had no arena teams and a grand total of 47 HKs and only shaman experience at level 80 is exactly zero. No offense dude, but it's like asking the Pope what's the best way to pick up chicks at a bar.
This, except all of the offense which he omits I would like to emphasize. This is one of the stupidest posts I've read in a long time.
Majivo wrote:
DarkHybridX wrote:
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Its more than likely user error. Shamans are crap in pvp if the player is too dumb to manage the enormous amount of abilities shamans have. In pvp you have to balance offense and defense. They are by far the most difficult class to play because you have to have the brain capacity to be able to make quick decisions like which totems to drop against certain classes and when to use your earth shock so its not on CD when somebody is about to one shot your ***. Shamans are incredible if you are a good player. If you can't succeed as a shaman, then you should probably roll a death knight.
I don't know about taking advice from a person who's 80 had no arena teams and a grand total of 47 HKs and only shaman experience at level 80 is exactly zero. No offense dude, but it's like asking the Pope what's the best way to pick up chicks at a bar.
This, except all of the offense which he omits I would like to emphasize. This is one of the stupidest posts I've read in a long time.
Also from what I hear Hunters are a little trickier to play in PvP due to the crazy number of abilities they have. (At least, Aethien seems to think Hunter is the hardest class to PvP with, and when he moans about something you know it's gotta be rough. xD)
So everyone can say what they want and not expect to back it up? Its true I haven't played a shaman at lvl 80 mainly because the last time I had a shaman, it was when the level cap was 60. Of course back then, shamans were unstoppable. Thanks to whiny players and blizzards nerf bat, they are nothing compared to what they were. On the other hand, Aerie peak is a PVE realm! My CURRENT shaman hasn't seen a single battleground. Of course you can't see that the CURRENT shaman I have has never lost a duel or been killed by an enemy player. So 47 HK's translates to 47 enemy players I've killed while I was questing. Not standing around in a big mess in BG where you get 47 HK's without having to single handedly kill them yourself. Did I mention aerie peak was a PVE realm?
What I was saying is that you have to have a certain brain capacity to succeed as a shaman. Those that are skeptical of how powerful they can be, obviously can't use more than 3 skills when they fight somebody. Yes shamans are heavily gear dependant, they have almost no mobility, and they can't put up the DPS numbers in raids that many other classes can. But numbers don't matter. I've played every class to max level (although for most max was 60 and 70), I've been in thousands of battlegrounds, I've ran nearly every raid, heroic, or dungeon as a tank, DPS, and healer. What matters is winning the BG and completing the instance. And shamans are one of the best (if not the best) at making sure that happens.
What I was saying is that you have to have a certain brain capacity to succeed as a shaman. Those that are skeptical of how powerful they can be, obviously can't use more than 3 skills when they fight somebody. Yes shamans are heavily gear dependant, they have almost no mobility, and they can't put up the DPS numbers in raids that many other classes can. But numbers don't matter. I've played every class to max level (although for most max was 60 and 70), I've been in thousands of battlegrounds, I've ran nearly every raid, heroic, or dungeon as a tank, DPS, and healer. What matters is winning the BG and completing the instance. And shamans are one of the best (if not the best) at making sure that happens.
flaminroids wrote:
My CURRENT shaman hasn't seen a single battleground.
...What matters is winning the BG and completing the instance. And shamans are one of the best (if not the best) at making sure that happens.
...What matters is winning the BG and completing the instance. And shamans are one of the best (if not the best) at making sure that happens.
Edit: Isyris, I'm not sure why, but that picture may give me nightmares lol
9 duels won. Killed twice by players.
Now I'm not even close to a expert on the shaman class in PvP, but my 55 duels, 75 BGs, and 220 arena matches, while low low numbers, still out paces you by a bit.
I see one 10 man entered on your warrior (with no boss kills), and four 10 mans and one 25 man entered on your priest, with a Prince kill in Kara. But I guess it's hard to raid when your four toons you have posted make up four members in your 5 member guild.
Agreed, and no one is arguing that. I love my shaman and as resto I know for a fact that I have positively effected the outcome of BGs and boss fights. I'm just not sure what this has to do with the OPs post on 1v1 world PvP as enh.
Spitting out your "l33tness" or lack thereof isn't going to do you any good. Feel free to make your own thread about you and everything you have accomplished. But don't come into a random thread and state your opinions on things that you either don't know about or cannot backup. It only takes a few min to look at PvP rankings and see where DPS shaman stand. There's many threads on many good sites explaining why this is. There's blue posts stating the same thing and what they would like to see fixed.
Edited, Jun 24th 2009 8:27pm by DarkHybridX
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Of course you can't see that the CURRENT shaman I have has never lost a duel or been killed by an enemy player
9 duels won. Killed twice by players.
Now I'm not even close to a expert on the shaman class in PvP, but my 55 duels, 75 BGs, and 220 arena matches, while low low numbers, still out paces you by a bit.
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I've played every class to max level (although for most max was 60 and 70), I've been in thousands of battlegrounds, I've ran nearly every raid, heroic, or dungeon as a tank, DPS, and healer.
I see one 10 man entered on your warrior (with no boss kills), and four 10 mans and one 25 man entered on your priest, with a Prince kill in Kara. But I guess it's hard to raid when your four toons you have posted make up four members in your 5 member guild.
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What matters is winning the BG and completing the instance. And shamans are one of the best (if not the best) at making sure that happens.
Agreed, and no one is arguing that. I love my shaman and as resto I know for a fact that I have positively effected the outcome of BGs and boss fights. I'm just not sure what this has to do with the OPs post on 1v1 world PvP as enh.
Spitting out your "l33tness" or lack thereof isn't going to do you any good. Feel free to make your own thread about you and everything you have accomplished. But don't come into a random thread and state your opinions on things that you either don't know about or cannot backup. It only takes a few min to look at PvP rankings and see where DPS shaman stand. There's many threads on many good sites explaining why this is. There's blue posts stating the same thing and what they would like to see fixed.
Edited, Jun 24th 2009 8:27pm by DarkHybridX
flaminroids wrote:
...and they can't put up the DPS numbers in raids that many other classes can.
I don't know what raids you've been playing in, but there have been many shamans that are up there with everyone else, if not higher than most.
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Things may seem stupid but if you fret you will be apologetics because what i bring is smart witty and satisfying to all shaman.
Anyway, I've only had bad experiences with Shaman in PvP. And since I don't play the class, it can only mean that a) I'm very unfortunate when it comes to picking my opponents, b) you're not as good at PvP as you think or c) Shaman aren't really that bad.
Granted, most Shaman I've lost to were Elemental spec'd. Granted, most times I lose to an Elemental Shaman, he is not my primary target. Still hurts like a ***** when Lava Burst crits for 7k followed by some Flame Shock DoT crits.
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
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granted my experience comes from long ago...
when I left my rogue at 39 for about 6 months, shamans were the bane of my existence sans warlocks. It seemed like there was nothing I could do, lvl, lvl, lvl, 70, raid....then....at 70 everyone is everyone, the only thing my rogue feared was an arms war, and a decent enhance shammy could tear me in two before i could blink, same went for anyone else who tried instead of facerolled....then
pre wrath launch, me and my enh shaman buddy in guild, both of us doing well over 1k dps at 70, they pre patch for our new skills and etc, and I just destroy him every single time in a dual even without dismantle, he gets pissed and posts a recount from bt where he does 500 more dps and logs. This same friend has now quit the game...present day...
my same rogue is now 80, against raiding, in full hateful/deadly sparing with whoever he pleases failing only against godpallys and smart dk's. I dont even recognize who im killing unless its a pally or a dk.
There was a time and place for shamans. Once they finally make dks and pallys normal i imagine they will start balancing everyone else
If all else fails just do nothing but eots and throw people off mid, that always pisses me off greatly as i pop my chute and casually die
when I left my rogue at 39 for about 6 months, shamans were the bane of my existence sans warlocks. It seemed like there was nothing I could do, lvl, lvl, lvl, 70, raid....then....at 70 everyone is everyone, the only thing my rogue feared was an arms war, and a decent enhance shammy could tear me in two before i could blink, same went for anyone else who tried instead of facerolled....then
pre wrath launch, me and my enh shaman buddy in guild, both of us doing well over 1k dps at 70, they pre patch for our new skills and etc, and I just destroy him every single time in a dual even without dismantle, he gets pissed and posts a recount from bt where he does 500 more dps and logs. This same friend has now quit the game...present day...
my same rogue is now 80, against raiding, in full hateful/deadly sparing with whoever he pleases failing only against godpallys and smart dk's. I dont even recognize who im killing unless its a pally or a dk.
There was a time and place for shamans. Once they finally make dks and pallys normal i imagine they will start balancing everyone else
If all else fails just do nothing but eots and throw people off mid, that always pisses me off greatly as i pop my chute and casually die
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