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Ah well, it's been a pleasure knowing you, PoH.

Penance is back to how it was, then. PoH change is "meh" but I can't scream about it. Inspiration change is actually a pretty big buff. 25% armor on an average geared protadin is about ~4% more reduction.

Now I'm not quite sure what applies here, but I do know this;

After reading the buff I immediatly gave it a test with my prot/ret specced paladin friend. In prot, disequipping his shield (which has 8000 armor) made him go from ~63% reduction to ~59%. That means 8000 armor for your average tank more or less equals 4% reduction. With his shield equipped, my pall had a total of about 25.000 armor. Inspiration's 25% buff would mean he'd gain 6250 armor. That is more or less 3/4th of the 8000 his shield gave, and therefore equals roughly 3% damage reduction.

We then pulled the same trick in his ret gear; in this case I don't have any numbers for you but he confirmed that gaining Inspiration gained him more or less 4% damage reduction.

I have no problems with additional testing, but from what I've seen so far Inspiration gives your average character around 4% reduction, regardless of the amount of armor he has (though this might differ per class). Since the new Inspiration will give a flat 10% reduction, this looks like a major buff to me.

Edited, Jun 19th 2009 5:26am by Mozared

With this PoH nerf coming, how much more will it effect Disc than Holy.

Holy priest have talents that help boost their PoH out put that are deep in their tree, Disc do not.

This will be a nerf for both specs, but seems like it would hurt a Disc priest more than a holy one.

I heal as holy and use the Glyph of PoH, so in most cases I over heal when using this spell.

It's going to hurt like hell in PVP.

I actually am happy with the way Dispersion currently functions in PvE. In PvP, it really isn't worth it, but I enjoy having yet another free mana button to push in a long fight. Combining that, veiled shadows, my pet squid, replenishment, Improved Spirit Tap, and Hymn of Hope, I can go indefinitely on a target dummy. Add in raid buffs such as Arcane Intellect and Mark of the Wild, and we might as well not even bother putting the mana bar on our unit frames. (fights like General Shrimp in Uld are the exceptions, of course).

Edited, Jun 20th 2009 2:25am by IDrownFish

BTW holy dispersion for those extra long fights b/c my mana hogging nerfed PoH ate it all up! LoL

(It'll never happen, but I better a holy version would look pretty cool!)

Less QQ, more HealHeal. Holy priests are good AOE throughput healers and a small PoH change that might will at most make you lose 400 healing per target isn't going to change that.

Wait, what?



No? If you go from 35.3% of X damage to 30.5% of X damage you are taking 4.8% less damage than before? 35.3% of 100 damage = 35.3, 30.5% of 100 damage = 30.5.

Ugh >.>

Fair enough, I guess that's what my pall said last night; you're not taking 13.6% less damage from the whole blow.


Thing is though, I *do* care about how much less % of a boss' umitigated damage I'm taking. Unless I'm being confused again you should be comparing the new and old Inspirations effect and then decide whether old Inspiration > new Inspiration. Because the 13.6% less damage doesn't correspond with the 10% less damage from the new Inspiration.

Edited, Jul 1st 2009 8:12pm by Mozared

keep in mind that damage multipliers and damage reducers are considered multiplicatively, so the inspiration change will have varying degrees of effect depending on your tanks. for instance, your average warrior in defensive stance is taking 90% of all incoming damage (so a hit for 10k becomes 9k before any armor considerations are factored in). add in the 10% reduction from inspiration and the warrior takes 10% less of the 90% hit, or 81% damage.

given that, for a warrior, he likely has no more than def stance + BoSanc or vigilance on him (~12.5% total), its a big boost in damage reduced (except when shield wall is up, where the relative value of inspiration decreases for the duration of the SW buff). given that the most damage reduction a tank gets solo is (i think) all of the pally buffs (which amount to about 13%ish i think) its going to be a nice change even with the way multipliers are added together.

PoH change sucks; my priest friend uses that thing like its going out of style in arenas. he hates the penance change too, but can see why theyre doing it, and accepts it for the most part.

New Inspiration is better.

Hands down no question.

The main reason is painfully obvious and yet no one has mentioned it yet.

SpoilerMagic Damage is not mitigated by armor so old Inspiration did nothing for it at all, new Inspiration does therefore it wins.

Magic damage isn't physical damage right..? or am i missing something here?