first and foremost, i'm a hunter and have a buddy that's a protection warrior. id like to get him the darkmoon greatness card but i'm not sure what is better for protection warriors, strength or agi. i'm really not familiar with your class, but i admire your work. as far as i understand the agi will give more dodge so it might be better then the strength, however, there was a thread in which someone asked about the berserker card and a response mentioned the strenght is superior, is this true?
heres the thread
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/class.html?wclass=1;mid=12446410743791204;num=2;page=1
any input would be great, thanks in advance.
one last thing, i could have sword i read that the agility better and am trying to dig up that post. i asked server trade channel and a person said 'str' followed by 'nvm agi' so im lost on the issue. again thanks
Edited, Jun 17th 2009 12:57am by ACLinjury
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Strength would make it a more of a threat trinket, and agi would make it more of an avoidance/threat trinket. I personally use the strength one, but i also stack bv cause i like big numbers :)
Basically, the str one will give you BV, Ap, Armor, and the Agi will give you crit, and dodge. I would assume that there are better trinkets out there with dodge on them, so thats prolly why most warriors would choose the str one, that, and the fact that you can use it in your dps gear as well.
Edited, Jun 17th 2009 9:11am by montaghar
Basically, the str one will give you BV, Ap, Armor, and the Agi will give you crit, and dodge. I would assume that there are better trinkets out there with dodge on them, so thats prolly why most warriors would choose the str one, that, and the fact that you can use it in your dps gear as well.
Edited, Jun 17th 2009 9:11am by montaghar
montaghar wrote:
Strength would make it a more of a threat trinket, and agi would make it more of an avoidance/threat trinket. I personally use the strength one, but i also stack bv cause i like big numbers :)
Basically, the str one will give you BV, Ap, Armor, and the Agi will give you crit, and dodge. I would assume that there are better trinkets out there with dodge on them, so thats prolly why most warriors would choose the str one, that, and the fact that you can use it in your dps gear as well.
Edited, Jun 17th 2009 9:11am by montaghar
Basically, the str one will give you BV, Ap, Armor, and the Agi will give you crit, and dodge. I would assume that there are better trinkets out there with dodge on them, so thats prolly why most warriors would choose the str one, that, and the fact that you can use it in your dps gear as well.
Edited, Jun 17th 2009 9:11am by montaghar
Actually, the STR one will only give BV and AP.
The Agi one would give dodge, crit and armor.
haha, so im back to square one.
also, the card will replace a trinket called 'valor medal of the first war.' i'm guessing the str vs agi would probably depend on what his other stats are?
it would seem the best option is to buy the deck and let him decide, although he would have to wait for the faire to come around again. currently our server has a strength and agility card up for sale, however, the deck might be the best option. i did get some blue wrapping for whatever i end up buying.
also, the card will replace a trinket called 'valor medal of the first war.' i'm guessing the str vs agi would probably depend on what his other stats are?
it would seem the best option is to buy the deck and let him decide, although he would have to wait for the faire to come around again. currently our server has a strength and agility card up for sale, however, the deck might be the best option. i did get some blue wrapping for whatever i end up buying.
Oops, sorry about that. I knew one of them gave armor. Either way its such a small amount its not really anything to sway the decision one way or the other.
Im pretty sure that his trinket is better then the darkmoon card one dude. I mostly do OT work, so thats why I have one, and the fact that I hate on use trinkets because I never remember to use them, but when I MT I dont use the darkmoon card. Most "Tanking" trinkets are better then the greatness cards. For instance if you compare, Valor medal will give almost 11% dodge with the on use, where the greatness card will give about 5% with proc.
If you compare the str ones, DCG gives 195BV with proc, and Lavanthor's Talisman gives 440 with use. So you can kind of see what I'm getting at. If you really want to get him this card, definitely get him the STR one, so he can use it in his dps gear, or his tank gear if he wants.
Im pretty sure that his trinket is better then the darkmoon card one dude. I mostly do OT work, so thats why I have one, and the fact that I hate on use trinkets because I never remember to use them, but when I MT I dont use the darkmoon card. Most "Tanking" trinkets are better then the greatness cards. For instance if you compare, Valor medal will give almost 11% dodge with the on use, where the greatness card will give about 5% with proc.
If you compare the str ones, DCG gives 195BV with proc, and Lavanthor's Talisman gives 440 with use. So you can kind of see what I'm getting at. If you really want to get him this card, definitely get him the STR one, so he can use it in his dps gear, or his tank gear if he wants.
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Oops, sorry about that. I knew one of them gave armor. Either way its such a small amount its not really anything to sway the decision one way or the other.
Im pretty sure that his trinket is better then the darkmoon card one dude. I mostly do OT work, so thats why I have one, and the fact that I hate on use trinkets because I never remember to use them, but when I MT I dont use the darkmoon card. Most "Tanking" trinkets are better then the greatness cards. For instance if you compare, Valor medal will give almost 11% dodge with the on use, where the greatness card will give about 5% with proc.
If you compare the str ones, DCG gives 195BV with proc, and Lavanthor's Talisman gives 440 with use. So you can kind of see what I'm getting at. If you really want to get him this card, definitely get him the STR one, so he can use it in his dps gear, or his tank gear if he wants.
Im pretty sure that his trinket is better then the darkmoon card one dude. I mostly do OT work, so thats why I have one, and the fact that I hate on use trinkets because I never remember to use them, but when I MT I dont use the darkmoon card. Most "Tanking" trinkets are better then the greatness cards. For instance if you compare, Valor medal will give almost 11% dodge with the on use, where the greatness card will give about 5% with proc.
If you compare the str ones, DCG gives 195BV with proc, and Lavanthor's Talisman gives 440 with use. So you can kind of see what I'm getting at. If you really want to get him this card, definitely get him the STR one, so he can use it in his dps gear, or his tank gear if he wants.
thank very much for your input. this actually explains it quite well! i didnt think that the trinket would be better since its a 'use' whereas the card is a proc, but you know better than me, so thank you for the input.
I would go with the STR one so you can have one of the best trinkets for dps also
montaghar wrote:
If you compare the str ones, DCG gives 195BV with proc, and Lavanthor's Talisman gives 440 with use.
Lavanthor's offers 440 block value and is up 1/6 of the time, providing you with an average of 70 block value over a 2 minute cycle. DC:G offers 45 static block value, along with a proc of 150 block value that is up 1/3 of time, totalling an average of 94 block value over a 2 minute cycle. You also gain the benefit of the added AP from the static STR and proc that you would not get from Lavanthor's, which are also FURTHER modified by Vitality. Extend this over a 4 minute cycle and DC:G widens the gap even further by slipping an extra proc in that you won't get with the Lavanthor's Talisman. The two don't even begin to compare in terms of threat generation. Lavanthor's makes a great PvProt trinket and is decent in a trash set or high block rating set. It has no business being sat alongside DC:G in terms of threat for any purpose.
Edited, Jul 14th 2009 8:29pm by FletusSanguine
And no where did i compare them as threat trinkets, gg with reading comprehension fletus
montaghar wrote:
And no where did i compare them as threat trinkets, gg with reading comprehension fletus
And yet he made an infinitely more useful comparison than you did. Don't complain because someone came up with a better point than you, that undermines the entire purpose of an open forum for ideas.
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And yet he made an infinitely more useful comparison than you did. Don't complain because someone came up with a better point than you, that undermines the entire purpose of an open forum for ideas.
And yet he made an infinitely more useful comparison than you did. Don't complain because someone came up with a better point than you, that undermines the entire purpose of an open forum for ideas.
WOW, gg for you too. This isn't a discussion about threat trinkets, why fletus came out of left field and posted math that has nothing to do with the OP's question, i dont know. Then you come in thinking your gonna stick up for him, and totally fail too.
Try reading the OP's question, and then the posts before you hit the reply button, kk thanks.
Edited, Jun 30th 2009 9:00am by montaghar
montaghar wrote:
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montaghar wrote:
And yet he made an infinitely more useful comparison than you did. Don't complain because someone came up with a better point than you, that undermines the entire purpose of an open forum for ideas.
And yet he made an infinitely more useful comparison than you did. Don't complain because someone came up with a better point than you, that undermines the entire purpose of an open forum for ideas.
WOW, gg for you too. This isn't a discussion about threat trinkets, why fletus came out of left field and posted math that has nothing to do with the OP's question, i dont know. Then you come in thinking your gonna stick up for him, and totally fail too.
Try reading the OP's question, and then the posts before you hit the reply button, kk thanks.
The OP's question was "Hi, I don't know warrior, so which trinket should I get my friend?" They didn't specify a defensive or threat focus to the question, nitwit. Quit getting butthurt that somebody better at math than you made a better comparison than you did.
There isnt a 'better trinket' thing , its very circumstantial the use of every trinket. Its good to have 3+ trinkets and use them accordingly to the encounter. The trinket card you are referring will never 'replace' the medal of valor trinket.
Only a trinket with same dodge values or even greater + stamina or + armor will replace the circomstantial use of medal of valor.
If you really need to 'buy' him a present buy then , his JC profession fast to 450. There you go : 2 trinkets...+ prismatic gems. i suspect there will be some 'change' from JC ... hm... level Blacksmithing for some extra sockets .
Only a trinket with same dodge values or even greater + stamina or + armor will replace the circomstantial use of medal of valor.
If you really need to 'buy' him a present buy then , his JC profession fast to 450. There you go : 2 trinkets...+ prismatic gems. i suspect there will be some 'change' from JC ... hm... level Blacksmithing for some extra sockets .
Let me lay out a quick synopsis of this thread prior to my post:
"Hey guys, I want to get a buddy a tanking trinket! I don't know much about tanking, would the STR or AGI DG:G card be better? I'm kinda leaning towards AGI, 'cus tanks need AGI right?"
"Well, AGI isn't bad for survival, but there are better survival trinkets out there. The STR one is more of a threat trinket because of BV, and I like BV 'cus of big numbers."
"Aww, ****, I'm back where I started now! This (valor medal) is his survival trinket, which is better?"
"Here's a valid comparison of the two survival based trinkets. Valor medal (while still lackluster) is better than the AGI DC:G. Also, here's a comparison of the block value gains from Lavanthor's and the STR DC:G, where a disparaging comment is made about this card in much the same manner as the previous cards survivability gains."
So I'm curious why the comparison was made between the two when you yourself said DC:G is, outside of DPS, only to be used as a threat trinket (which is correct, by the way). It's definitely not based on survivability, because the answer then is that they're both absolute ****. When you're facing 20k hits, a chance to take 2.9k off the hit instead of 2.5k every 2 minutes isn't exactly something anyone should gear for. If you weren't making a flawed comparison on the threat values of the trinkets, was there actually a comparison that has any REAL value being made? Or were we just tossing out useless block value numbers and pretending that it had any practical application to tanking?
"Hey guys, I want to get a buddy a tanking trinket! I don't know much about tanking, would the STR or AGI DG:G card be better? I'm kinda leaning towards AGI, 'cus tanks need AGI right?"
"Well, AGI isn't bad for survival, but there are better survival trinkets out there. The STR one is more of a threat trinket because of BV, and I like BV 'cus of big numbers."
"Aww, ****, I'm back where I started now! This (valor medal) is his survival trinket, which is better?"
"Here's a valid comparison of the two survival based trinkets. Valor medal (while still lackluster) is better than the AGI DC:G. Also, here's a comparison of the block value gains from Lavanthor's and the STR DC:G, where a disparaging comment is made about this card in much the same manner as the previous cards survivability gains."
So I'm curious why the comparison was made between the two when you yourself said DC:G is, outside of DPS, only to be used as a threat trinket (which is correct, by the way). It's definitely not based on survivability, because the answer then is that they're both absolute ****. When you're facing 20k hits, a chance to take 2.9k off the hit instead of 2.5k every 2 minutes isn't exactly something anyone should gear for. If you weren't making a flawed comparison on the threat values of the trinkets, was there actually a comparison that has any REAL value being made? Or were we just tossing out useless block value numbers and pretending that it had any practical application to tanking?
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