Hunter's pvp future *WITH PATCH NOTES*Follow

Combine that with the incoming unknown BM buff, and we're once again "great" in arenas! This seems like a great thing to me. I guess the new patch(es) will bring some happiness in our lives in arenas.
To me, all changes to hunters look like nice buffs in the next patch. What do you guys think about the state of hunter pvp now, and withing a few patches?
I'm curious and very happy, for those who didn't notice that already!

Discuss




You guys were right, these nerfs do suck, pretty bad. We're surely dead now.



* Aspect of the Cheetah: Can now be learned at level 16.
* Deterrence now has a new visual spell effect.
* The time that traps will exist in the world after being put down has been reduced to 30 seconds, down from 1 minute.
* Traps now have separate 30 second cooldown categories: Fire (Immolation Trap, Explosive Trap and Black Arrow), Frost (Freezing Trap, Frost Trap) and Nature (Snake Trap). A hunter can have one trap of each category placed at one time.
* Talents
o Beast Mastery
+ Catlike Reflexes now also reduces the cooldown of your Kill Command ability by 10/20/30 seconds.
o Survival
+ Entrapment: This talent no longer works with Immolation Trap or Explosive Trap.
+ Lock and Load: Now has a 22 second cooldown. The Lock and Load effect cannot be obtained on targets immune to snare effects when Frost Trap is used.
o Pets
+ Roar of Sacrifice: Redesigned. This ability can now be used on any friendly target to make that target immune to critical strikes, but the Hunter pet takes 20% of all damage taken by that friendly target. Cooldown increased to 2 minutes.



Edited, Jun 18th 2009 3:18pm by Thorpedro

When GC speaks in the abstract, bet your bank he has absolutely nothing planned at that point yet.

When he speaks in definitive terms (like, say, the ammo change promised months ago), bet your house, pension, first born and left arm you will NEVER see said change. At best, you'll see a watered down, barely usable, almost pointless replacement.

IOWs, never hold your breath with this one.

I think he stopped smoking weird stuff as some of the things he's saying now make sense.

I agree a bit, but I still wish that Blizz had someone who was actually smart deal with us.

Well, GC can't keep up with all the classes at once, can he? I think he just hast to listen now and then to suggestions people have on their class forums, some pretty nice thoughts are there. He's a smart guy, no doubt, but he imo he should listen abit more to the people.
And tbh I think you guys are just a bunch of pessimists, everyone has had their good days and their bad ones. Some a little more, some a little less. We'll have our top ratings back one day.

You missed the most important part!

* All pets now receive 40% of their master's resilience and 100% of their master's spell penetration. In addition, if a player is at their appropriate spell hit chance or hit chance maximum, their pet will be at the maximum for spell hit chance, hit chance, and expertise. If they are below the maximum, their pet will be proportionately below those maximums.

Meh, I still think the 22sec cooldown on lock and load is gonna hurt abit. But ofc there are some positive things like the scaling pets and the traps. Now, it's frost trap, immo trap, disengage, black arrow, and watch the target die to dots.
I am a failhead at predicting things, so I guess I'll have to see how everything works out. Gonna keep an eye on your comments though.
(Btw, didn't lock and load had an internal cd before too?)


edit; apparently, black arrow is a fire spell *sigh*, well, w/e

Edited, Jun 18th 2009 3:45pm by Thorpedro

Actually using snake trap again makes me happy again. It has nice uses, now we can slow, slow even more, slow their casting time, slow them by entrapment, slow some more, use chimera/corehound breath for slow, and if someone feels like it, do a wingclip for even more slowing!

Yes, when looking at the notes with a second thought they seem alot better than the first time.

(It may even make mm way better, because dispell will be doing them snake poisons first, giving time for some nice chimera crits in my new t8 badge of heroic instances gear (for those who don't know yet, check full patchnotes))

(and how the heck do you spell "chimera"?)

Idea for making pet more effective in PvP... give (pet)Taunt a 25% chance to stun/daze target for X amount of seconds, like 3 or so. Will make players chasing the master a little more cautious of ignoring the pet when that pet can slow them down. Hate to bring up WoW's arch enemy, FFXI, but anyone familiar with that game will know that Provoke had a function in PvP other than just CC in PvE.

Pets aren't gimped to PvP when it comes to dealing damage, or even taking much damage. It is the fact they can be ignored. But I guess players would whine about the DK and Warlock pets and them now being underpowered.

Maybe add a new talent deep in the BM build. Something that is like 20 points in, 2 tiers so not to have to invest to many points in it.

Ability Name:
Improved Taunt(I suck at making up names)
2 point talent
Tier One: 25% chance on Taunt to stun/daze target for 1 seconds
Tier Two: 25% chance on Taunt to stun/daze target for 3 seconds

Again, just an idea and probably not a good one.

That would be rather pointless, in arena people will be targetting your pet anyway.
Even with ~250-300 res it's not some powerhouse and it still dies easily.



That said, the new RoS appears to be a nice RMP counter move which might just make hunter/Rdruid/other healer viable in S7.

First of all, Hunter pets aren't ignored because they can be. It's because they have to be. If you stop pounding on the Hunter and try to kill his pet first, you're about as smart as [insert instance boss] who tries to kill the tank while the healers get to stay alive.

You ignore the pet because if you don't, you're dead before you even have a chance.



You're kidding, right?

Deep BM talent that gives a 25% chance on Growl to snare or stun the target? What, Wing Clip, Concussive Shot, Frost Trap, Freezing Trap and Intimidation isn't enough? Not to mention The Beast Within which makes you unstoppable as well?

I'm all for balancing out the classes, but I have yet to meet a Hunter that didn't stand at least a chance. I have no idea how they're faring in Arenas, but frankly I couldn't care less. Arenas are toned down Battlegrounds and in my opinion they've already ruined too much of the game in an attempt to balance out this mini-game within the game.

This isn't Gladiator. It's Warcraft. 'War' being the keyword here.

I think this kind of talk is funny. When the representation of a certain class drops, people scream bloody murder and demand buffs.

Remember when people played their class because they enjoyed it and not because it had a higher chance of success in the Arena? Those were the days. Going deep Restoration as a Druid just so you could keep yourself alive while stabbing things with your main hand dagger? Yeah, sweet.

They need to deliver less and hope that the demand quiets down, otherwise this circle of class balance hell will never end.

Edited, Jun 21st 2009 1:09pm by Mazra

S2->Restokin+Hunter=Great

I don't even think he specc'd all the way into Moonkin, but that comp was amazing.

Same as late S3/S4 when I got SS Lock/BM Hunter to 2150 to prove that double DPS as hunters could work. I mean, it wasn't that effective vs any rogue comps, but it worked pretty damn well.