Unholy presence > Blood presenceFollow

Went to the training dummy, spent a little while just learning an unholy spec dps rotation.

Changed to blood spec to check my dps against my other unholy spec, they are about on par in my gear and specs (I need to glyph better for unholy and it'll beat out blood on anything but single target fights as far as i can tell).

But when I was testing blood spec, I forgot to change out of unholy presence for some reason, and came out with 200 more dps than any previous test.

My rotation as blood is IT>PS>DS>HS>HS, DC dump, HS>HS>HS>HS, DC dump generally, I mix it up a little with DRW and ERW. Since I'm not the best dps in raids, I tend to keep Hysteria for our best dps on each fight... So I don't use it in testing.

I was getting ~2800 dps in unholy presence
2600 in blood presence
2500 as unholy in blood or unholy presence (albeit with better glyphs this will change)



Has anyone else noticed this?

I'm specced BcB and Necrosis in both specs. And I try to keep diseases up 100% (but this doesn't always happen, due to fight mechanics as we all know). I'm guessing that my overall dps was increased by those two talents, but somewhere in my gut and/or back of my mind this doesn't feel right. 200 dps, er.. ~7.5% overall dps increase from white dps, BCB and necrosis, but losing 15% damage overall?

Or am I being dim witted here and unholy presence reduces CD's on all runes too? The tooltip doesn't say that, and I don't seem to be able to find any concrete information about it.

How long did you test for?

I'm having a LOT of trouble figuring out why this could happen.

Since you will use every rune every 10 seconds (or so, considering FU runes and human error), you will always use the same number of abilities, regardless of haste. The only difference HERE is the burst aspect. You save .5 seconds per ability with UP, but that 10 second limit is always there. So, the DpS from runes, over time, will be higher with Blood Spec. The same number of abilities per 10 seconds, at a 15% bonus, means a higher DpS.

Now we have to think about RP dumps. Unholy Presence will give you more time to use up your runic power between rune refreshes. But, again, this is only a DpS boost if this is an issue. As Blood, there are things to think about--does your build make use of the DS glyph and, if so, how much is it geared towards it? If you rely on it heavily, you will always try to place your DSs at the end of a rotation, with only enough dumps to keep you from over-generating RP.

If you do that, than BP is probably a better bonus--15% on top of the glyph bonus, and to your RP Dumps. However, if you don't really think about that, you may get more DpS out of RP by giving it more GCDs.

I don't whether you do this or not, though, because your rotation is incomplete. Though, I suspect you don't because of the placement of the only documented DS. So, in your case, UP may be giving you more (but I suspect that BP is the highest possible bonus, with a well-designed rotation).

And, finally, we come to auto-attacks. Here is where things get foggy for me, because I haven't done any testing. With your build, there are three talents that will benefit from UP--Bloodworms, BCB and Necrosis. I don't know if these benefit from BP also, though. If they do not, that would definitely be a nice bonus for UP. If they do, math would have to be brought out.

I can't imagine your white hits, necrosis hits, BWs and BCBs are enough to make up for +15% on everything you do (diseases get that boost, too).

I think I may switch to a 51/2/18 spec though.

Don't want to derail your thread but a clarification: Few plate wearing DPS pick up haste as it's a reasonably poor itemization investment. It mostly only modifies white damage (aka auto-attack) which is not generally enough of a chunk of overall damage out to justify buffing only that portion of total out. This is why Strength, AP, Crit, etc have more relative itemization value, they effect more of the entire spectrum of damage out.

Just didn't want newbies thinking they could start stacking haste and be ZOMGOP.

I am having a lot of trouble understanding your rotation. In my mind, you are losing a lot of DpS by sacrificing DSs in favor of 2 seconds of Diseases. Not an even trade, especially as Blood. Everything you have with a disease modifier should be easily usable in 18 seconds.