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#27 Jun 17 2009 at 12:38 PM Rating: Decent
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That's exactly why its a DPS loss.

I'll link some WWS reports to illustrate why.

This is a WWS of our recent Vezax kill. Not the best of fights to reference, but since you mentioned that you'll be doing it soon I figured I'd use it as a basis. Its somewhat skewed due to it being hardmode, but it'll work. This is the total hits by Sinister Strike. With the T7 4 piece, you can figure that I would of saved 190 energy. Saved is important compared to earned, as each SS consistently costs two energy less, enabling you to use your abilities that split second quicker in the long run, compared to earning the energy on a tick basis and having to hold off until 40 energy minimum to use another SS, compared to 38. Either way, you can compare it to the ticks of Deadly Poison and see that, while not by a lot, the extra energy from the T7 four piece is ahead. I forget off the top of my head the DPE that rogues in Ulduar are looking at, but I believe that's why the four piece comes out ahead until you're able to replace it with gear thats stats outweigh the loss of energy, as well as the ability to use abilities that split second sooner.

Here's a link to the kicks done as well, figured that may help give you an idea of the intervals you'd be going at. We had an arms warrior interrupting as well.

#28 Jun 17 2009 at 8:22 PM Rating: Default
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http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Thorium+Brotherhood&n=Orijo

Hope I can pull off 1850 and get out of those crappy daggers

Gogo getting to 1750 with heroic daggers :\
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#29 Jul 01 2009 at 12:40 PM Rating: Good
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www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Aegwynn&n=Selar

Contributing and is combat still the best leveling spec?

Edited, Jul 1st 2009 2:41pm by Xenexia
#30 Jul 01 2009 at 6:00 PM Rating: Good
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Contributing and is combat still the best leveling spec?

Through the old world, at least until 50. Somewhere after that I'd go Mutilate. Soloing with my PvP mutilate spec makes me happy =)

Good luck.
#31 Jul 02 2009 at 10:44 AM Rating: Decent
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Lethon&n=Vindroth

Is Combat any good for PvP? I'm mostly into PvP but I really don't want to do a Muti build. I'm going down the Sub tree right now, but that's just for lower BGs. I'm planning on respeccing today.
#32 Jul 03 2009 at 5:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm mostly into PvP but I really don't want to do a Muti build. I'm going down the Sub tree right now, but that's just for lower BGs. I'm planning on respeccing today.

Then, you're not really asking a question then? You PvP but won't go Muti.... well.... ok?
#33 Jul 04 2009 at 12:13 PM Rating: Decent
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Zafire wrote:
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Thorium+Brotherhood&n=Orijo

Hope I can pull off 1850 and get out of those crappy daggers

Gogo getting to 1750 with heroic daggers :\



I remember this one time, you called me bad.



Nice ratings.






I'm just being a jerk cuz im REALLLY bored. Ill check in on this later.
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#34 Jul 05 2009 at 6:10 AM Rating: Good
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MYteddy wrote:
Zafire wrote:
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Thorium+Brotherhood&n=Orijo

Hope I can pull off 1850 and get out of those crappy daggers

Gogo getting to 1750 with heroic daggers :\



I remember this one time, you called me bad.



Nice ratings.

I'm just being a jerk cuz im REALLLY bored. Ill check in on this later.



I wish I could make fun of Zaph but I cannot because a.) his ratings are better than mine (I've played 18 matches this season) and b.) he isn't using a tri-spec any more!



EDIT: PS - Random repeat rate-up for Therion based only on guild name supremacy.

Edited, Jul 5th 2009 10:12am by ThomasMagnum
#35 Jul 05 2009 at 4:16 PM Rating: Decent
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MYteddy wrote:
Zafire wrote:
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Thorium+Brotherhood&n=Orijo

Hope I can pull off 1850 and get out of those crappy daggers

Gogo getting to 1750 with heroic daggers :\



I remember this one time, you called me bad.



Nice ratings.






I'm just being a jerk cuz im REALLLY bored. Ill check in on this later.

I'm in your threads, posting my armory from more than a month ago to make Zafire look like an idiot for calling me bad.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Draka&n=Korrz

Sup guiz. Smiley: grin
#36 Jul 05 2009 at 5:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Overlord Theophany wrote:
MYteddy wrote:
Zafire wrote:
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Thorium+Brotherhood&n=Orijo

Hope I can pull off 1850 and get out of those crappy daggers

Gogo getting to 1750 with heroic daggers :\



I remember this one time, you called me bad.



Nice ratings.






I'm just being a jerk cuz im REALLLY bored. Ill check in on this later.

I'm in your threads, posting my armory from more than a month ago to make Zafire look like an idiot for calling me bad.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Draka&n=Korrz

Sup guiz. Smiley: grin


Back when Rogue/Rogue worked. Sigh.
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#37 Jul 05 2009 at 5:19 PM Rating: Decent
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MYteddy wrote:
Overlord Theophany wrote:
MYteddy wrote:
Zafire wrote:
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Thorium+Brotherhood&n=Orijo

Hope I can pull off 1850 and get out of those crappy daggers

Gogo getting to 1750 with heroic daggers :\



I remember this one time, you called me bad.



Nice ratings.






I'm just being a jerk cuz im REALLLY bored. Ill check in on this later.

I'm in your threads, posting my armory from more than a month ago to make Zafire look like an idiot for calling me bad.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Draka&n=Korrz

Sup guiz. Smiley: grin


Back when Rogue/Rogue worked. Sigh.

I know, and when I still played. Sigh.
#38 Jul 06 2009 at 8:25 AM Rating: Good
Well now that I've finally gotten to 80, it's time to gear the rogueness up. I got her the Ice Striker's Cloak, and am in the process of working on getting the mats for the Trollwoven stuff. She's got a lot of work that needs to be done at the moment: Enchanting things like the helm, work on the Hodir rep for the shoulder enchants, Switching out one of my glyphs for Rupture, Temporarily have the weapon chains in place until I can get a better enchant (preferably much better weapons), etc.

I know, for the most part, what I need to work on. Still getting the hang of mutilate, but my dps is slowly increasing still. Currently doing between 1300-1800 dps (depending on if it's trash, boss, the situations, etc). I'm sure it'll be much better once I can get more upgrades. I've been trying to run heroics religiously to attempt to get some gear, but no luck thus far. It's a bummer.
#39 Jul 06 2009 at 5:12 PM Rating: Decent
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Norgannon&n=Roben

Lookin for help on gemming the 16 hit gem i have was just one i had in my bags and threw it in but i see alot of people gemming Exp.. some gem AP i just dont know what to gem.

Theres also a druid in my guild who destroys the dps meter and hes gemmed ALL ArPen, any help is greatly appriciated. I also have webbed death would that be better for my OH then the ripper?
#40 Jul 07 2009 at 10:30 AM Rating: Good
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Well it looks like you logged out on your Pvp gear, but you are missing allot of enchants.

Mine: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Velen&n=Sokken

I'll be getting the T8 chest this week with emblems, and I have the T8 gloves in the bank, after that I'll re-gem all Agi.
#41 Jul 07 2009 at 9:46 PM Rating: Decent
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Norgannon&n=Roben

This is PvE atm hopefully it linked right this time.. alot of the pvp stuff wasnt enchanted and stuff because i just mess around in bgs somtimes when im bored.

I just got Calamitys grasp after trying forever. i also have the razorscale talon for MH but nothing to use it with yet. So would knetic ripper or Webbed death be better , i normally use WP/DP .

As far as rotation ive tried 3s/5r/5e and 5s/5r with the occasional evis if i can not sure what one to use.

I also just got treads of the Invader but can't decide if they are better or not.

Any help/advice is appriciated
#42 Jul 07 2009 at 9:51 PM Rating: Decent
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Use Kinteic Ripper. More dps, .1 slower, but you will be getting Talent spec from it. Thats a good setup you have for weapons.


I have Razorscale and a 25man OH (forget which atm) and swords suck. Stay away.
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#43 Jul 08 2009 at 9:54 AM Rating: Good
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There is nothing wrong with swords, its the itemization. Right now fist/dagger has the better weapons. Use what ever you have that works best via spreadsheet, I have the OH mace from Cat Lady, and if the main hand drops from thorim, I'd probably switch, and if Golden Sar. Dragon drops when we get to FL4 then I'll go to that. Right now I'm stuck with swords, and the damn OH from Iron council 10 only drops when i'm not there :(
#44 Jul 09 2009 at 12:24 PM Rating: Default
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I remember this one time, you called me bad.


I never came out and called you "bad". You called me bad.

Theo then came out to say he was hitting plate for ridiculous amounts of damage, when at the time he had worse attack, crit, and worse daggers then I did, and I wasn't hitting that hard. So I guess being "good" means that you can have 300 less attack, daggers with 20 less damage on them, and 5% less crit, and still hit harder then someone who statistically has better gear then you, simply because you're good. Alright. lol

You then came out and said you hit DK's in resilience gear for 2k+ per hand, which I called you out on, and you said I was lying, and I then posted a pic of you hitting my 0 resil DK with 62% armor for 1100 per hand *CRIT*. Yeah. Slick.

I really doubt that your skill is that much better then mine. I've seen how you play BG's, and I remember one BG when you simply would not leave stealth unless you seen me. I remember you trinketing my Gouge too. That was pretty good. And it takes oh-so-much skill to Cheap Shot -> Mutilate -> Eviscerate -> Mutilate and kill someone. I can drop 500+ resil rogues down to 3-5k hp doing that too and my gear sucks.

It's really just about how good your gear is, and yours is far greater then mine is, so you're more successful. I'm still using heroic daggers because I really don't PvE that much nor do I enjoy it. If I wanted to PvE more i'd go back to FFXI. Although, I have ran naxx about 5-6~ times on heroic and grobbulus has never dropped twilight mist yet.

In reality, you boast about being so much better then I am because you had double sinister revenges and 500~ attack more then I did. Great. You're skilled because your burst beats the hell out of mine.

I probably do the same thing in the same situation as you do. I blind people I see trinket if no one is attacking them, I sap one guy and go for the other. I abuse Gouge on rogues that open on me unless they have evasion up. I've beaten a 2400 rated pally in all furious gear in a duel without him bubbling, and the duel after when he did bubble I managed to get him back down to 6k. Really, I know what i'm doing, I know how to take advantage of what I have just as good as you do. Me and my warlock have been up and down from 1780 to 1650 for the last two weeks now, but we do beat 1850 teams on occasion and have even taken down a 1940 team. My gear is terrible and his isn't that great either, yet we are still able to almost breach 1800. I am very proud of that. Plus we're playing double dps atm, and you DO know that Fear and Seduce share dimishing returns with blind, and Shadow Fury puts diminishing returns on Kidney Shot, right? Rogue/lock isn't a very ideal combonation.

Anyway, i'm done. Have a good laugh or what-not.

Edited, Jul 9th 2009 4:41pm by Zafire

Edited, Jul 9th 2009 4:43pm by Zafire
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#45 Jul 09 2009 at 1:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Oh joy! It has been awhile since these forums have had a good battle. /popcorn

With that being said I want to rebuttal for Teddy until he gets here, and then he can correct the things I get wrong.

Zafire wrote:
Theo then came out to say he was hitting plate for ridiculous amounts of damage, when at the time he had worse attack, crit, and worse daggers then I did, and I wasn't hitting that hard. So I guess being "good" means that you can have 300 less attack, daggers with 20 less damage on them, and 5% less crit, and still hit harder then someone who statistically has better gear then you, simply because you're good. Alright. lol


This isn't always true. RNG is a ****. Since you made a statement about gear, then so will I. My rogues gear isn't BiS, it is actually far from it, but I out dps other rogues that have SRx2 and full 7.5 gear all the time. I'm not sure exactly why, other than maybe I'm just better at my class than they are. I have 1/5 7.5 and either 2 or 3/t7. I have omen of ruin and Knife of Incision, and somehow I'm always top 5 or 6 in damage no matter what instance I'm running.

Zafire wrote:
You then came out and said you hit DK's in resilience gear for 2k+ per hand, which I called you out on, and you said I was lying, and I then posted a pic of you hitting my 0 resil DK with 62% armor for 1100 per hand *CRIT*. Yeah. Slick.


Maybe he exaggerated a little bit, but it does happen. I hit plate for 2k+ per hand sometimes, so I don't see why someone else couldn't.

Zafire wrote:
It's really just about how good your gear is, and yours is far greater then mine is, so you're more successful. I'm still using heroic daggers because I really don't PvE that much nor do I enjoy it. If I wanted to PvE more i'd go back to FFXI. Although, I have ran naxx about 5-6~ times on heroic and grobbulus has never dropped twilight mist yet.


NEWS FLASH: GEAR ISN'T EVERYTHING. It is possible to beat people with better gear than you.

Zafire wrote:
In reality, you boast about being so much better then I am because you had double sinister revenges and 500~ attack more then I did. Great. You're skilled because your burst beats the hell out of mine.


I could be wrong here, but I don't think Teddy has SRx2. He doesn't PvE that much from what I have seen.

Zafire wrote:
I probably do the same thing in the same situation as you do. I blind people I see trinket if no one is attacking them, I sap one guy and go for the other. I abuse Gouge on rogues that open on me unless they have evasion up. I've beaten a 2400 rated pally in all furious gear in a duel without him bubbling, and the duel after when he did bubble I managed to get him back down to 6k. Really, I know what i'm doing, I know how to take advantage of what I have just as good as you do. Me and my warlock have been up and down from 1780 to 1650 for the last two weeks now, but we do beat 1850 teams on occasion and have even taken down a 1940 team. My gear is terrible and his isn't that great either, yet we are still able to almost breach 1800. I am very proud of that. Plus we're playing double dps atm, and you DO know that Fear and Seduce share dimishing returns with blind, and Shadow Fury puts diminishing returns on Kidney Shot, right? Rogue/lock isn't a very ideal combonation.

Anyway, i'm done. Have a good laugh or what-not.


So you're saying you're better than Teddy, but can't get up past 2k when he is? That just doesn't make sense to me.

In summary, you think you're better than Teddy, but can't provide anything to show you're at least equally skilled. GG
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#46Zafire, Posted: Jul 09 2009 at 1:50 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I'm not saying i'm better, I never once said that. Stop the ****-sucking and find reality. You like Teddy. I get it.
#47 Jul 09 2009 at 2:05 PM Rating: Decent
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I could be wrong here, but I don't think Teddy has SRx2. He doesn't PvE that much from what I have seen.


He does.

Uh no he doesn't.

Considering that he was in my guild when he did PvE (he may still do it, but he hasn't wanted SRs since I quit WoW).

And he wouldn't be using SR anyway, now that he's got both of the best arena daggers.
#48 Jul 09 2009 at 2:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Uh no he doesn't.

Considering that he was in my guild when he did PvE (he may still do it, but he hasn't wanted SRs since I quit WoW).


Odd, there was a post a while ago about him talking about his dual sinister revenges. Maybe he was kidding, but I didn't see any sarcasm in his post. I guess i'll try to find it later.
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#49 Jul 09 2009 at 3:07 PM Rating: Good
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Zafire wrote:
I'm not saying i'm better, I never once said that. Stop the ****-sucking and find reality. You like Teddy. I get it.


You're right I do like Teddy. He is a cool guy. As for the ****-sucking thing, I'm going to go bang my super hot fiancee while you QQ about WoW and how you re-rolled because you can't beat plate classes.

/Quoted for retardation


Zafire wrote:
I've beaten a 2400 rated pally in all furious gear in a duel without him bubbling, and the duel after when he did bubble I managed to get him back down to 6k. Really, I know what i'm doing, I know how to take advantage of what I have just as good as you do.


Zafire wrote:
My gear is terrible



Zafire wrote:
Honestly, you REALLY think gear doesn't matter that much?


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So, the answer to your question about gear was answered by you in the above quotes. GG
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#50 Jul 09 2009 at 3:46 PM Rating: Default
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So, the answer to your question about gear was answered by you in the above quotes. GG


You are ****-sucking, because you're disagreeing with me with because you like Teddy and he doesn't like me.

Arena is different then duels. It's all about burst on a double dps team, anyone will tell you this. It's hard to have reliable burst when your gear is bad.

Against a healer in a duel though, it's ALL about gear, skill has 0 to do with it. There is absolutely nothing you can do against a tree druid or a resto shaman if their gear is better then yours. Disc priests are iffy, you can outplay them if their gear is slightly better then yours.
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#51 Jul 09 2009 at 4:10 PM Rating: Good
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Zafire wrote:
You are ****-sucking, because you're disagreeing with me with because you like Teddy and he doesn't like me.


I'm actually disagreeing with you because you're wrong. Me thinking Teddy is a cool guy is irrelevant.

You calling me a ****-sucker just shows how retarded you are. I don't care if people on the internet call me names, but damn I wish I could meet you face to face. I'd love to hear you say that then.
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