Hello fellow Holy Priests!
So as I bounce between lvling my Lock, Shaman and healing on my priest once and a while I'm finding that I use GHeal less than 25% of the time ( FH, FH, FH, GH? PoH?... throw renew, CoH and PoM in there and Gheal is lost in the works). So I'm looking at the other healers in this 25 Naxx run I'm on and there is a HPriest leading the pack (not me) and recount says his top 3 spells.... renew, pom and flash. Time to respec I say! So here it is. I was half a barrel in and forgot to get his name to copy his build (duh!), and I think I need to look into a renew glyph...
Anyway, Help? Ideas? Thoughts, feelings, outburst of an emotional nature?
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To quote blizzard, "Greater heal is an awesome spell". Its not. It costs too much mana, its too slow, you don't use it as disc, and you wouldn't waste your serendipity charges on it.
I'm all for coming up with your own build. However, have a look at http://www.talentchic.com/ to see what the most popular holy builds are. It gives you a good starting point. Then make your own decision. If you have already done that, great.
One of the things that makes me like penance so much is that it hits fast, as apposed to waiting for greater heal. For me, penance has saved someone countless times. Many times as holy, waiting for a greater heal killed someone. I keep Holy as my second spec on dual spec. I find it fabulous for a fight like Loatheb. The combo of PoH and CoH during the 3 seconds of healing is awesome. It is nice to have a choice.
Edited, Jun 2nd 2009 5:32am by dadanox
One of the things that makes me like penance so much is that it hits fast, as apposed to waiting for greater heal. For me, penance has saved someone countless times. Many times as holy, waiting for a greater heal killed someone. I keep Holy as my second spec on dual spec. I find it fabulous for a fight like Loatheb. The combo of PoH and CoH during the 3 seconds of healing is awesome. It is nice to have a choice.
Edited, Jun 2nd 2009 5:32am by dadanox
Dropping Improved Healing in holy is a very fair alternative to pick up Holy Reach/Body & Soul, yup. I wouldn't be even surprised if it was the cookie cutter on EJ right now, seeing as holy tank healing is mostly dead and you don't use Greater Heal for anything else. Will check that out in the near future to update the guide.
As for Penance vs Greater Heal, I do actually use Gheal, even with Penance. The thing is some bosses can do sick amounts of burst damage (Vezax, Emalon) in a really short time. Yesterday for example, I was main- and solohealing the MT in an Emalon-25 run. What happens on runs like these is that the tanks stays at 100% for about ~8 seconds, then gets hit to 60% and to 20% one second later. The first Penance tick will then bring the tank back up to ~30% and from that point on he'll either A) die before the second tick lands or B) last the full Penance but come out with 20% hp again, after which I've got nothing left but a 3 second Gheal to get him back up (Flash will take him to 25% or 30% at most and after a 1,5 sec Flash Penance will still be on cooldown). If I'm cancelcasting Gheal on the other hand, the tank will get hit to 60% and then 20%, will then be healed back to 60% after which my Penance usually keeps him there and I've got enough time to start another Gheal to get him to full; any more bursts at this point won't take him below 20% and once my Gheal is launched Penance should be close to coming off cooldown again.
Some bosses allow you to use solely Penance (and PW:S+Renew) to keep the tank up, but I've found that cancelcasting Gheal is actually a must to pull the tank through a couple of bosses. It's key to keep Penance off cooldown there until you really need that instant heal right away.
As for Penance vs Greater Heal, I do actually use Gheal, even with Penance. The thing is some bosses can do sick amounts of burst damage (Vezax, Emalon) in a really short time. Yesterday for example, I was main- and solohealing the MT in an Emalon-25 run. What happens on runs like these is that the tanks stays at 100% for about ~8 seconds, then gets hit to 60% and to 20% one second later. The first Penance tick will then bring the tank back up to ~30% and from that point on he'll either A) die before the second tick lands or B) last the full Penance but come out with 20% hp again, after which I've got nothing left but a 3 second Gheal to get him back up (Flash will take him to 25% or 30% at most and after a 1,5 sec Flash Penance will still be on cooldown). If I'm cancelcasting Gheal on the other hand, the tank will get hit to 60% and then 20%, will then be healed back to 60% after which my Penance usually keeps him there and I've got enough time to start another Gheal to get him to full; any more bursts at this point won't take him below 20% and once my Gheal is launched Penance should be close to coming off cooldown again.
Some bosses allow you to use solely Penance (and PW:S+Renew) to keep the tank up, but I've found that cancelcasting Gheal is actually a must to pull the tank through a couple of bosses. It's key to keep Penance off cooldown there until you really need that instant heal right away.
I would drop the point in Blessed Recovery, and finish Body and Soul, or somewhere else. You shouldnt be getting hit.
Anyhow, I heal as Discipline and I pretty much never use Greater Heal. When I do, I have it macroed with Power Infusion, at which time GH is the best. Flash Heal has slightly less HPS (when cast twice to equal the same time as GH), however the mana cost is significantly less and it critical hits more often.
I found that even Renew is also less efficient than Flash Heal or Penance. I dont typically HOT any more, except on tanks or if I cant stand still; or sometimes I might use Renew to manage healing threat. Prayer of Mending is still pretty good, and it's third in my top three heals.
I've never been Holy, so I really can not say if Greater Heal is completely useless. It's definitely not the most useful as Discipline, since the faster and cheaper spells generally have higher HPS. I think the talented GH should be a 2 second cast, not 2.5.
Anyhow, I heal as Discipline and I pretty much never use Greater Heal. When I do, I have it macroed with Power Infusion, at which time GH is the best. Flash Heal has slightly less HPS (when cast twice to equal the same time as GH), however the mana cost is significantly less and it critical hits more often.
I found that even Renew is also less efficient than Flash Heal or Penance. I dont typically HOT any more, except on tanks or if I cant stand still; or sometimes I might use Renew to manage healing threat. Prayer of Mending is still pretty good, and it's third in my top three heals.
I've never been Holy, so I really can not say if Greater Heal is completely useless. It's definitely not the most useful as Discipline, since the faster and cheaper spells generally have higher HPS. I think the talented GH should be a 2 second cast, not 2.5.
As disc you have better tools to heal the tank
As holy you should not be healing the tank
I did however seem to use renew more often as holy, but it still appeared to be lack luster
As Disc keeping PoM/flash/shield/penance going is more than enough, toss a PoH in the mix its GG
I'm still playing with holy builds, but it doesn't appear that renew is very powerful there either
Along with not using gheal as disc I find it funny that spirit isn't a major stat for me anymore :P
Edited, Jun 2nd 2009 9:20am by Smoopie
As holy you should not be healing the tank
I did however seem to use renew more often as holy, but it still appeared to be lack luster
As Disc keeping PoM/flash/shield/penance going is more than enough, toss a PoH in the mix its GG
I'm still playing with holy builds, but it doesn't appear that renew is very powerful there either
Along with not using gheal as disc I find it funny that spirit isn't a major stat for me anymore :P
Edited, Jun 2nd 2009 9:20am by Smoopie
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I would drop the point in Blessed Recovery, and finish Body and Soul, or somewhere else. You shouldnt be getting hit.
Aye, but you need a point in the lower tiers to go up a tier.
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I think the talented GH should be a 2 second cast, not 2.5.
Divine Fury. Greater Heal. A talented Gheal is 2.5 seconds, not 2. You might be confused because I'm guessing you've got additional haste on your gear.
Greater Heal was my heal of choice for a long time!
Granted... this is when I healing as my shadow spec and needed to be as efficient as possible...
I still use it to heal myself after I rez, 1 heal puts me at full healths. Still takes me a bit of effort to not to drift towards that heal when penance is down though...
P.S. What's the spellpower scaling on Greater Heal? I have about 2k spell power and I get healed for about 8k reg and 12k a crit...(while in why shadow spec)
Edited, Jun 2nd 2009 1:28pm by BakaShinobi
Granted... this is when I healing as my shadow spec and needed to be as efficient as possible...
I still use it to heal myself after I rez, 1 heal puts me at full healths. Still takes me a bit of effort to not to drift towards that heal when penance is down though...
P.S. What's the spellpower scaling on Greater Heal? I have about 2k spell power and I get healed for about 8k reg and 12k a crit...(while in why shadow spec)
Edited, Jun 2nd 2009 1:28pm by BakaShinobi
I find that the more you level and/or get geared, the less you will use GHeal. For Disc is all about Penance, PoM, Renew, and PW:S... I barely even find the need to use Flash Heal nowadays. While Flash is more effecient than Renew, I found that I will end up with a lot more overhealing, that if you take that into account, means you are not as effecient as you thought.
In regards to Holy, I have only limited experience with it and not in Heroics, but as you stated, I found that GHeal was not a normal part of my rotation.
Cancelcasting GHeal is the only time I use it while I am waiting for a big hit to land. Where it does have its use, is when you first hit Heroics, and the groups you may be with are not fully geared yet. (As in blues and not defense capped.) Then the whole cancel cast idea of Gheal is almost required at times to keep your tank alive when they get smacked with a big crit or crushing blow. Beyond that, not really needed unless you like to see that 15k+ heal number flash on your screen. (I admit, I will cast it sometimes just to hope for that crit because it is rather satisfying.)
In regards to Holy, I have only limited experience with it and not in Heroics, but as you stated, I found that GHeal was not a normal part of my rotation.
Cancelcasting GHeal is the only time I use it while I am waiting for a big hit to land. Where it does have its use, is when you first hit Heroics, and the groups you may be with are not fully geared yet. (As in blues and not defense capped.) Then the whole cancel cast idea of Gheal is almost required at times to keep your tank alive when they get smacked with a big crit or crushing blow. Beyond that, not really needed unless you like to see that 15k+ heal number flash on your screen. (I admit, I will cast it sometimes just to hope for that crit because it is rather satisfying.)
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Some bosses allow you to use solely Penance (and PW:S+Renew) to keep the tank up, but I've found that cancelcasting Gheal is actually a must to pull the tank through a couple of bosses. It's key to keep Penance off cooldown there until you really need that instant heal right away.
Cancelcasting Gheal seems to have fallen out of style in favor of smaller, faster heals, but I have dusted it off on numerous occasions during scripted moments in Ulduar. If the damage is insane but predictable, it is the pefect opener to land in a timely manner while saving Penance for the follow up, that is, if you were Discipline (which I am.)
But...
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Hello fellow Holy Priests!
I'm not sure if cancelcasting works as well with Holy with the way Serendipity works now. With the reduced cast time, it may be quite difficult to get the timing down. Depending on if you have 0-3 stacks, your cancel cadence would be different and the possibility of an early or late cast may defeat the original purpose. Point being that if you are not used to using it, the times where it is most helpful will require a little more skill to use it effectively.
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Divine Fury. Greater Heal. A talented Gheal is 2.5 seconds, not 2. You might be confused because I'm guessing you've got additional haste on your gear.
You might need to read what I said more carefuly ;)
I read it fairly carefully, I just take it you meant 'should' in another way I took it. Fair 'nuff though.
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