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You'll get a lot of answers to the leveling question, and mine is not the best informed at all but I always enjoyed leveling as Demon spec til 40 then went to afflict or stayed Demon as either is good, I have always thought afflict spec was a raid/instance spec myself.

I am not that great with a lock as yet but i would have said stamina is still worth far more than any other stat while levelling at least up to level 30 so nothing much has really changed while levelling , no point in having spell power or hit for example if your pet of choice dies or they lose agro and you get beaten to death in a few hits as stamina does transfer to your pets health as far as i can tell and can save you when being beaten on or be changed into mana.

I think the FAQ and playstyles sticky should be condensed together anyway as most of us have our own quirks in the way we play , and of course they are a huge read for anyone that is not a native english reader and can be misunderstood.

As i am only level 30 i cannot say what is going to be a must have talent for my affliction drain style fun except for the ones that help me avoid interruption in casting.

I tend to play with my succubus a lot since i got high enough to get her as she does around the same damage i do or more on average according to Recount unlike the imp which is about half my damage and about 3 times what the voidwalker can manage and i play a bit like a retarded hunter and apply dots and never using shadowbolts but using drain soul every time as i find the drain life next to useless at keeping me alive or healthy so at the moment have not used any talents to improve the shadowbolts , i guess some will say that is wrong but from all the threads i have seen and people i have talked to any playstyle can work if you want it to work and mine most times seems to work great the only thing i had problems with was my my bags always full of shards until i found a very simple addon called "shard" just set number of shards you want to keep and i have big smiles as i kill knowing my bags still have space , i can kill mobs 3-4 levels above me without any real amount of spellboost but usually as on all my alts i am killing green mobs and doing quests in at least two different zones as i find it a lot more fun and easier and faster than doing all yellow/brown quests as i am still learning the class.

I guess i could kill faster than i do but i find by using just the dots available at my level and the drain soul which is set up to give me mana back i hardly ever have to stop and drink so while it takes longer to kill i have almost no downtime and it suits my very lazy playstyle , i almost never send pet to a target but rely on my pet being on defensive and attacking any mob i dot .

I can say from all i have read or seen any tree and any playstyle is viable but still can change by level as new spells and pets become available , locks can kill just as fast in any tree unlike most classes which usually have just one tree that is far faster than the others for example priests with Shadow or hunters and BM and i am loving the playtime on my lock.

For example? You seem to have some criticism on the discussion, yet, you have added nothing to it. What a surprise.

Point taken. Excuse my previous post

'Upstart' isn't a derogatory term.

Edit: At least, not the way I used/intended it. I do understand some of its alternative definitions could be considered derogatory though, bad choice of words on my part I suppose.

Edited, Jun 5th 2009 12:41pm by Norellicus

It's not really a matter of 'holier-than-thou'. The Hunter forum really is crap.

No, really. You get the same amount of help, but you have to wade through this first:



Edit: I need to scale that image down a bit.

Morganne (hey, I have a level 23 Hunter on Moonglade!), if you like your Succubus, I recommend getting Soul Link and Siphon Life. The reason is that you'll be drain-tanking (you taking the hits while using Drain Life to stay healed) a lot with your Succubus since she can't hold aggro like your Voidwalker. She lacks a taunt and gets a threat-dump instead (Soothing Kiss), like Cower for Hunter pets.

Whether you want to go for Soul Link or Siphon Life first depends on your preferences. If you go for Soul Link, you'll take less damage as you'll share 20% with your demon (who is then healed by 15% of the damage you do) and your Demon Armor will be improved, but your only way of getting health back will be severely gimped because most of the time Drain Life will break early. If you go for Siphon Life, you'll get a lot of self-healing through Drain Life and Siphon Life, but you won't mitigate much damage.

Basically it comes down to: Self-healing or mitigation. One might argue that since Demonology focuses very little on demon damage up until Soul Link, whereas early Affliction talents focus on improving Warlock damage, you'll deal more damage and thus kill stuff faster if you focus on Affliction first.

And crap, man, this turned out to be a lengthy post.

Edited to make less lengthy.

Edited, Jun 6th 2009 10:23pm by Mazra

Well my alt is affliction and i did not go all stamina stats either but with the dots and the succubus i have not gone below half health even when i get beaten on , there are so many ways to put off a mob from beating on you its a lot of fun and of course the succubus does do the most damage , my advice is stick to targets that are about 2 levels below use dots and drain soul and sit back and enjoy the fun.

Hi Morganne! I don't have much to add to what everyone else has said, but I did want to ask if you're soloing with your succy? It kind of sounds like you are. I'd suggest putting her away in favor of the voidy or imp, depending on how you want to play. I've never really noticed her DPS being worth much, and she dies really easily. Most of our pets are pretty situation-dependent. Succy is great in instances with a lot of humanoids since she helps with crowd control, but I haven't had much use of her beyond that. Felhunter, likewise, is great against magic users but not so much against other things. Voidwalker can hold aggro, but his damage is pretty crappy.

I do have to say that I leveled straight demonology and that's about all I've ever played, so maybe succy is more viable in the drain tanking world?

Just a note as I am leveling a lock myself now. I have chosen to go destro while leveling as I like the idea of an "evil" mage type character. I will say this, based on everything I have read, running solo as Destro is a bit slower than other specs. I definitely need to take time out to heal and so forth currently as I am only lvl 34. Just an FYI incase you are thinking of switching. I still like the playstyle, and in instance runs which I prefer, I am doing more dps then toons 3 or 4 levels higher if the tank can maintain aggro hold.

Just something to chew on incase you get bored leveling.