I CanceledFollow

its sad to see you going. you'll definitely be missed here. good luck out there in the real world, or wherever your extra time will take you.

This is sad but true. Battlegrounds went from being a semi-controlled chaos to just a pathetic worthless mess. I'm sure you were more aimed at arenas. But as a long time BG enthusiast I can't bring myself to play more than a game or two every few weeks. My guildies and I use to play nightly solo and together. Now nobody can stand it. You have a few good builds running around not just superior or significantly better, but out and out DOMINATING anything that stands in its way.

I've been seriously contemplating WAR. I'm starting to run out of things I want to do in WoW.

Best of luck Tommy.

Well I don't want to be as pesimist as you but I am too getting annoyed at the constant changing of game rules. Mostly at the changes to PvP for PvE reasons. I am of the opinion that they should design all chars based on PvP and then design PvE adapted to the class design that came up, instead of adapting class design to PvE.

I've read many good things about WAR, as a BGer I was mostly appealed by the fact that they balance them by bolstering people in the low end of the bracket instead of unbalancing them by increasing lowbies chance to miss like wow does (as if the stats and gear alone weren't enough unbalance). But last I checked the game seemed kind of incomplete (there was some classes missing back then), and recently I went to their site for the 10-day trial and it required 6gb of download so I didn't do it.

So it's a very mixed feel right now, because while WoW is riddled with annoyances it's still a fun game to play and WAR is honestly very attractive but there's a bit of inertia in everything. :P

This is why design is so complicated, because for all the people that think like you do, there's those on the opposite side like me who feel that the need for PvP balance ruins the PvE game. I'm predominately a raider and have many times felt a change for PvP purposes has led to the detriment of the PvE game. I'm not saying you're thinking is wrong, just that it's not the only consideration to make.

I do know where you're coming from tommy, and I gotta say that it's admirable to make a choice like this. When a game either takes over from the important things, or in your case turns away from what made it fun for you, you gotta let it go. I know numerous people have become unhappy with the direction WoW has gone. I still enjoy it and plan on seeing it through to the end of this expansion at least, but that's me. What I find fun and enjoyable are different from what anyone else would find fun and enjoyable.

So anyway, enjoy your time away from this game, and best wishes for your endeavors in life :)

I don't see how PvP balance ruins the PvE game.

I can see that there's been class design features that had to be balanced because they were OP in PvP and they were nerfed, however those nerfs mean nothing to PvE because Blizz balances the nerf of those features with other changes so that all classes atm have a similar DPS/HPS/TPS/Mitigation/etc (depending on their role).

And I also don't see how it would hurt PvE if they had a solid balanced class design and changed the PvE environment to adapt it to the class design instead of the other way around. If they have a solid class design that they are not changing to adapt it to new levels of PvE it just means they tone the encounters to function properly with class design as is. And that they don't break old encounters with changes in class mechanics when they add new encounters.

And also PvP should be prioritized for class design because PvE is easily more limited. PvE is not going to be affected by how much and how often a class can break fear, stuns, snares, stealth, or what the range of the spells is etc. In fact, they could make the game more fun by making PvE that functions more like PvP, like aggro that works with more unstability so that you have to snare/stun/knockback/cc mobs to protect healers instead of just doing DnD spam so that everything stays inside a little circle where AoE is spammed.



Edited, May 28th 2009 1:33pm by xorq

I want to quit but...I...must...do...dailies.
I'll be playing until at lead CoD 6 comes out. WoW is an Epic time killer, but some days you just sit back and say "Why the hell am I doing this" and get the itch to quit, but then something grabs your attention and you're back to playing.
For me it's a terrible feeling to have invested so much time and money and not gaining anything. I don't play with real life friends and no one I know has any experience with WoW except my wife, whose experience is yelling at me to get off the computer and I explain to her why I can't hit pause because I'm raiding and in mid-fight. I've logged a lot of hours and it's kinda depressing to think that the if I quit, the only things that I gained would have been video game experience and some friends along the way. Looking from the outside, to think of all the things I could have accomplished with the time I spent gaming instead of doing something outside a virtual world, it's depressing as well....
But it sure is a fun way to spend your time if you've got it. Hell, if I didn't play WoW it would be wasted on some other game more than likely. Anyway, I hope you enjoy your time off and we'll see you with the next content patch or expansion! =)

/nod

As for me I am playing Left 4 Dead!

I don't think the problem is Blizzard, to be honest.

The problem, in my opinion, is us. We demand more and more from the game and at the same time we do more and more to make the game trivial. We invent addons to trivialize things like threat and damage dealing. We do hardcore math to optimize our performances. We join test servers with entire guilds to practice on upcoming instances. No wonder they become trivial within weeks of patch release.

There are a lot of things we, as players, could do to make this game less trivial. For starters, we could delete our Interface folder and remove our ElitistJerks and WoWwiki bookmarks.

Meh. Sorry to see you go, Tommy, but maybe it's nothing a couple of weeks won't cure. People have a tendency to get drawn back into the game.

Well, either get better and go hard mode, or realize that you're just too good for the current content.

I don't mind them nerfing easy mode for the casuals, but if the gap to hard mode is that much of an issue, perhaps adding an inbetween mode would be the solution? Somewhere you can go to get the gear needed for hard mode. Would that solve anything?

Blizzard's skin has become a bit too thick. They make off the wall comments and opinions of how they want their game. Completely ignorant to the loud demands and complaints of their customers. Its like they don't even play the game anymore. They run tests. They run scenarios. They make fixes. That **** off millions of players. I understand there are generally three crowds.

Crowd 1 - 14 year old whiners who hate Blizzard because they can no longer face roll (Noobs)

Crowd 2 - Dedicated and faithful players who want a fun challenging game (Casuals)

Crowd 3 - Dedicated and faithful players who have made WoW almost a career who want you to nearly bleed it so difficult (your hardcore end game raider/arena player).


Crowd 1 tends to be the most obnoxious and loudests. But in trying it ignore Crowd 1 it seems Blizzard has thrown Crowd 2 and 3 into the same pot as Crowd 1. Now as much as I tend to debate Crowd 3. In the end most of the ideas presented by Crowd 2 and 3 are both viable. And if implemented with either 2 or 3 in mind neither will be too upset.

but instead of listening, blizzard has distanced itself from its core customer base so much that it simply does what it thinks because its "their game". Not caring that people are indeed leaving. Because honestly there are enough Noobs and Newbs filing in that it doesn't matter. They still get their precious monies.

So you're suggesting that the means to overcome the challenges should be to outgear them?

That would kind of suck. Well gear-based progression already sux in the sense that if you go and do things right you fail because the way to beat the encounters is to outgear them, and once you outgear them you can do a lot of things wrong and still win because it's no challenge, but you still have to repeat them until you're tired of them because you need to complete the gear to outgear future encounters.

Well I'm not so affected because I don't pay much attention to raids, I'm having fun without playing raids. Personally I think 10 and 25 should have the same gear even and gear shouldn't keep growing so much that it becomes the decisive factor of beating encounters. It's crappy. If they really want their raids to be lineaaaaaar it would have been better if they just make raid 1 "attune you" for raid 2, instead of continuing to overbloat stats with each tier of content.

The way it is, they're making gear such an important part of the game that next thing we know it's barbie mode. "Beat the challenges by dressing your char with bigger epix to beat the encounters and dress it more!!". Come on!

Edited, Jun 4th 2009 1:41pm by xorq