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#1 May 17 2009 at 1:50 AM Rating: Default
Hello , i dingeg lvl 80 with my dk only one week back and that day i joined a raid for NAXX 10, they kicked me out at Gluth cause my sucking DPS. Any tips plz?

http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Turalyon&cn=Cooloseus&gn=Kentucky+Fried+Gnome


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#2 May 17 2009 at 4:54 AM Rating: Excellent
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Define "my sucking DPS" in quantitative terms please.

Regardless, your spec'd for tanking (and not very well spec'd at that) and have 3 defense pieces. You can't optimize DPS with that spec and gear nor can you tank anything other than SM with such low defense and avoidance.

Also don't stack armor pen., haste, or crit until you have capped hit and expertise (8% and 6.5% respectively).

Read up on proper rotations and ability use here and on Elitist Jerks.

Other than that.... um, good luck?
#3 May 17 2009 at 5:05 AM Rating: Good
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1. Caps Lock is not cruise control for cool.
2. What was your DPS when you got kicked? Need some numbers.
3. Check your gear.
4. Your talent build is just plain horrible.

Let's start from the end, shall we? Your talent build sucks. Simple math says that if your talent build sucks, you're bound to perform less than optimal.

Sudden Doom - get it.
Bloody Vengeance - get it.
Bloodworms - dump it.
Vendetta - dump it.
Anticipation - dump it.

If you want Epidemic and Ravenous Dead (+3% str), put points in Vicious Strikes and Virulence instead of Anticipation. Death Coil procs from Sudden Doom make out a pretty large chunk of your DPS, so you want to make sure they hit. And since you'll be using Plague Strike regularly to apply Blood Plague, Vicious Strikes will add some DPS there. Besides, anything else is better than +dodge for PvE DPS, right?

You need to decide if you want Butchery or Blade Barrier. You probably want Butchery for the extra runic power generation. Dump the point in Blade Barrier and get/dump the talents mentioned above. Vendetta and Bloodworms are for leveling and PvP. Bloody Vengeance will increase your DPS by 9% when fully stacked, which shouldn't be a problem with decent gear.

So, that brings us to your gear. Which is also horrible. You're wearing a mix of PvP and PvE gear and the PvE gear is split up into tanking and DPS. Your shoulders and necklace items have +defense on them. Your weapon is a level 75-ish quest reward. One of your rings has +armor on it and you have a trinket with haste. What happened to your Death Knight's Anguish from Borean Tundra? Surely crit rating is better than haste rating and a passive proc is better than a on-use attack power boost, in my opinion.

This goes well with my second point. What was your DPS at the time you got kicked? Maybe they were overreacting or maybe your DPS truly did suck. We can't tell without numbers. Was it 1k, 2k or what?

And finally, don't use all caps in your thread title. It's a sure way to get flamed.
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#4 May 17 2009 at 8:54 AM Rating: Decent
Mazra wrote:
Sudden Doom - get it.

Agree. Free death coil is win

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Bloody Vengeance - get it.

Agree, must have.

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Bloodworms - dump it.

WRONG. Blood worms do damage, and trust me there are few better places to put your points.

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Vendetta - dump it.

PVP talent, agree.

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Anticipation - dump it.

Tanking talent, agree.

You know what? This is actually a tanking build looking over it. No wonder you can't do good dps! Actually, it might not even be tanking, it might be a straight pvp survival build, which also would mean your dps would be crap.

Want a blood dps spec? This is what I raid Ulduar with
#5 May 17 2009 at 12:06 PM Rating: Decent
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Dilbrt wrote:
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Bloodworms - dump it.

WRONG. Blood worms do damage, and trust me there are few better places to put your points.


My bad, but is it worth three points? Wouldn't Necrosis or Morbidity be better? Maybe even Black Ice if it affects diseases as well?
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#6 May 17 2009 at 12:58 PM Rating: Decent
Mazra wrote:
Dilbrt wrote:
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Bloodworms - dump it.

WRONG. Blood worms do damage, and trust me there are few better places to put your points.


My bad, but is it worth three points? Wouldn't Necrosis or Morbidity be better? Maybe even Black Ice if it affects diseases as well?


I have necrosis, I have morbidity... that's apples and oranges.. You need 51 points in the blood tree to get DRW, and you have to put those 50 points SOMEWHERE :) So no, there isn't a better place to put them. I've gone ahead and included a link at the bottom of my posts to both my current specs.
#7 May 17 2009 at 1:21 PM Rating: Good
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Have they debunked the theory that Bloodworms eat raid AoE heals though? If not, I'd still say they aren't worth it. If you're taking them because they do damage, you are taking min/maxxing to a level far beyond necessary as they do very little DPS. They aren't too bad a health-bar topoff though, provided the AoE heals thing is untrue.
#8 May 17 2009 at 1:41 PM Rating: Decent
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If you're taking them because they do damage, you are taking min/maxxing to a level far beyond necessary as they do very little DPS.


You don't understand how I think then. If I can spend 10000g for a 50dps upgrade I'd do it. I take it for two reasons though, yes the above is one of the reasons, but not the only reason. The other reason is there literally isn't a better place to put the points. I need 50 points below DRW to get access to DRW. I've already got ONE throwaway point in rune tap, and there isn't anywhere else to put points to increase my dps.
#9 May 17 2009 at 1:51 PM Rating: Decent
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While my bloodworms are up, they do ~60 dps. They aren't up all the time, and when I check the difference of merging pets and not merging pets (without DRW) I gain about 25 dps overall.

That's not much dps, but it is a dps boost.
#10 May 17 2009 at 1:54 PM Rating: Good
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You don't understand how I think then. If I can spend 10000g for a 50dps upgrade I'd do it.

Fair point, I agree, I don't understand :)

But my main point was the DPS from Bloodworms isnt worth the detrimental effect they (supposedly) have on raid healing. I don't know if the effect has been proved one way or the other. If it turns out they don't eat AoE heals, then sure, I can't see anywhere better to put the points either, but if they do, I'd rather find somewhere else to put the points as the reduction in raid heals wouldnt be worth the increase in DPS.

#11 May 17 2009 at 4:00 PM Rating: Good
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I have Bloodworms in my current Blood build and while they are a personal DPS increase (~0.8%) and some healing, I'm unconvinced. After posting this and making a pre-raid beverage I'll be moving those points for Imp. Blood Presence and MoB. IBP to help the healers mainly and try to keep above 75% health, MoB 'cause I can't think of anything better to do with 1 point that I need. We'll see how it goes. Honestly, I'm still disappointed with the Worms. It's a neat talent that just needs to be tweaked a bit.

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#12 May 17 2009 at 4:55 PM Rating: Good
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When you're going for DWR, you have, I believe, four points in talents that aren't serious DPS talents. Then you have choices that are either survivability or tanking talents.

Blood worms actually do damage, as little as it might be, so you take that. Then you have a point for Rune Tap or Mark of Blood or Vampiric Blood. I took VB.
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