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#1 May 07 2009 at 9:34 PM Rating: Good
Im at level 29 debating whether to respec to ret, but I am worried about losing my shield and the extra armor it gives. Would it be worth respeccing for solo play?
#2 May 08 2009 at 12:30 AM Rating: Decent
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For solo play there isnt a huge difference, prot can kill more things at a time and have greater survivability on elites, ret can kill single targets faster. That is the main difference, both are very unlikely to die against 2 or less opponents.
#3 May 08 2009 at 12:58 AM Rating: Good
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You will find it more efficient to level as Ret. Most quests ask you to kill x amount of z or something similar to that. Sure being Prot will give you the edge when you have to kill mobs that are in packs of 4-5 but usually this isn't the case.

It used to be that aoe grinding as a Prot Pally was a great way to level up but blizzard has increased the amount of experience given by quests now so that isn't the case meaning that a Ret paladin will usually complete these quests quicker than his Prot counterpart.

Retribution until outlands would be the way to go. You can still tank most pre outlands instances as Ret and the most important "oh $hit" spells will still be there for you to use.

Note: Prot won't be that far behind Ret so, at the end of the day, if you do in fact like Prot more just stay with it. Think of Prot as the middle ground between a fast levelling Ret Pally and a slower levelling Holy Pally.
#4 May 09 2009 at 4:01 PM Rating: Good
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I went ret until about 53-54, when I hit the plaguelands. Then I went prot and have been prot ever since. Of course, with Dual Spec, I'm prot/ret, because I can't bring myself to heal, that takes a lot more patience and attention than tanking, mostly because I'm not in the thick of the fight when healing, so I get distracted easily. (Anyone want me to heal ulduar for 'em? lol).

I love Protection, plain and simple. Its awesome, I love the thought of a sword/hammer wielding maelstrom of goodness blasting his way through hordes of undead with only his shield as a companion. Yes, I'm a roleplayer at heart.

At level 29, I'd stay Ret. Its great until, like a previous poster said, outland. Then you might want to try Protection out. In the end, its personal preference. Try them both when you hit 58-60, and see which you like better. Ask questions here, ask people you trust in-game. Remember, the only stupid question is the one left unasked.
#5 May 11 2009 at 5:33 AM Rating: Good
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My vote = Go Ret.

You are able to do cool things as a Prot, but Ret is faster.

If you want to be Prot at 70/80 - go for it. No reason to do it from 1 - 80.

That said, do what you ENJOY.
#6 May 15 2009 at 9:28 AM Rating: Good
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as with practically every other DPS class ret survives mainly (but not exclusively) from killing things before they kill you. Unlike other DPS classes however ret comes with respectable healing power (especially when you get deeper into the tree), a protective shield and bubble (divine shield, divine protection, hand of protection). You compensate for lack of shield via these skills and rets ability to completely smash anything that gets in its way.

Lower levels prot was frustrating for me. I didn't pick it back up until Northrend when I could once again level via instances. Even then ret is still far far far faster.
#7 May 16 2009 at 6:27 AM Rating: Good
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I'm in the boat that says to go Ret.

Going Ret, you get Pursuit of Justice, much much earlier than you would if you went Prot (you have to wait till the 70s before a proper Prot build will get you deep enough into Ret to get PoJ) and that alone cuts 15% off of your travel time, hence, 15% you arrive at your destination sooner, hence 15% less time spent on travelling, more time spent killing.

As Ret, you will kill single targets MUCH faster, and your survivability is still pretty high, that you're not going to die in any normal fight. You can still take on 2-3 mobs and easily survive, you might have to pop a healing light or two, but otherwise, you should be good, even against 2-3 same-level normal mobs.

2-Man Group quests can still be done as Ret, quite easily in fact, all the way into the 70s.

Prot truly doesn't start to shine until you get Holy Shield at the very least, I'd prefer to wait until I had Avenger's, Shield of the Righteous and Hammer of the Righteous. Without these tools, all a Prot paladin can do is throw Consecrate and Judgment, along with their Auto-Attacks... that doesn't sound too fun to me, and it sounds like it'd take forever to kill anything. Sure, you could do 5+ mobs at once with no sweat, but a lot of quests don't even require you to do such.

If you do go Ret, just follow a couple easy steps and you'll be great:

1). Use a 2-hander as Ret. Always, Always, Always. I can't think of any time you should ever touch a 1H weapon or a shield.
2). Load up on +Strength. -of the Bear or -of the Tiger earlier game, when possible.
3). If you got a guild, don't pass up Scarlet Monastery's quested 2h axe. That is one sweet weapon and will last you quite awhile.
4). Go for Slower Weapons. A 3.5 speed weapon will hurt more than a 2.6 Speed, even if they both have the same DPS numbers.

If you do those, you will have an easy time leveling as Ret. If you want to tank endgame, you can switch to Prot at 78, some of your starter gear is Lv78, and you have enough talent points to deck out the Prot Tree and get most of your tools, and get some practice, there are a few elite quests in Northrend that a Prot Paladin can solo with mild difficulty at Lv78, to give you some practice if you've never tanked before, look into doing those.
#8 May 16 2009 at 6:35 AM Rating: Decent
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With changes to XP, both from quests and xp needed for each level being reduced its not even a matter of opinion anymore. Ret will get you to 80 faster.


I know saying something as definitive as that will cause Prot levelers to come out of the woodwork and feel the need to share stories of "I leveled prot just fine", which is great but doesn't mitigate the fact that Ret leveling clearly and inarguably has the greatest potential for leveling quickly. That being said if you do chose to level Prot (I did way back in 2007 when I leveled my Pally) don't make the switch until about level 35, before then most of the abilities you get are merely survivability types and your AOE tanking really hasn't started to shine yet. The good thing about Prot is that it is still viable, it levels smoothly though not with the potential or Ret, it also beats the snot out of any ret pally you will see 1v1 world pvp if you are on a pvp server.
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#9 May 16 2009 at 6:41 AM Rating: Decent
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bodhisattva wrote:
With changes to XP, both from quests and xp needed for each level being reduced its not even a matter of opinion anymore. Ret will get you to 80 faster.


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This.

Ever since they not only reduced the XP required to level, but also increased XP gained from quests until Outland (IIRC, they only reduced XP needed in Outland, but didn't modify kills/quests?), everyone knows that even moreso than Vanilla, Quests = Levelups.

The faster you get quests done, is the faster you will level. How do you get quests done faster? You travel faster (Pursuit of Justice), you kill the specific mobs asked for (Ret kills 1-2 mobs faster than Prot does), and return to the NPC (again, PoJ).

Prot leveling was good back in the days where grinding out 5+ mobs at once in the time it took a Ret Paladin to kill 2-3 earned the Prot Paladin better XP/hr while rested. It was most likely used by people who allowed Rested to build up (those leveling Paladin as an alt) and then would take their Prot Paladin into some area where there were large numbers of mobs to be found, and AoE ground them down for massive XP/hr.

But now, with quests giving more, and PoJ helping with travel times, any Ret is going to utterly kill a Prot pally's XP/hr, especially if the Prot pally run out of rested.

I keep preaching Pursuit of Justice, because I know first-hand just how much travel is involved in getting up to Lv60 (there's very little travel in Outland/Northrend as compared to Vanilla), especially in the late 40s to early 50s stretch where quests routinely ask you to go between Feralas, Tanaris, and Hinterlands (and Darnassus if you're Alliance). All of that travelling utterly kills your XP/hr, and unfortunately, many of those quests are chain quests, and some of them open up multiple quests later, but you have to do the chains... I kinda wish Blizz would shorten some of those, but oh well.
#10 May 25 2009 at 4:28 AM Rating: Good
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To add a little side-effect to this (to enclose it):

- In _actual_ hours /played, retribution will indeed be faster.
- Measured in the amount of time it _seems_ like you need to play to become 80, it is purely a personal preference. I for one have a lot more fun levelling protection and therefore it _seems_ to me that I am a lot faster. I tried retribution on both my paladins, but in the end it just seemed like a draaaaaagggg. So I switched to protection again.

Moral: play whatever you enjoy and it will be the fastest levelling spec (for you).
#11 May 25 2009 at 8:33 AM Rating: Good
Damage mitigated by a shield at low levels is pretty insignificant. The armor value alone isn't exactly useless, but it doesn't make as much of an impact as one might think. Also, at lower levels both your block % and block value mean that unless you're grinding on large packs of mobs, a shield is little more than a pretty (or not so pretty) accessory to justify why you're stuck using a lame 1h weapon. There was a time in the evolution of WoW where grinding large groups of mobs was a very decent way to earn xp relative to other options. With the increase to xp given out as quest rewards, that changed. IMO, the only thing that ever made leveling prot worthwhile was the option for AoE grinding, but that's taken a back seat to being able to burn through single mobs (or small groups) as fast as possible to get the quest done and turned in.

I tried leveling as prot a few times on the way from 1-80 with my pally. With the exception of the 77-80 stretch, all of those attempts met with a fairly quick trip back to the trainer to respec ret. It was just too tedious for my liking. Leveling prot is also more gear dependent than leveling ret. If the ultimate goal is to go prot for end-game content, you can respec as you approach 80 when you've got easy access to suitable gear so you can start to get a feel for it. If you're thinking more in terms of enjoyment factor, that's an entirely subjective question.
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