Hunter performing sub-par on Vezax?Follow

Hey there hunterfolks!

Yesterday our guild started and spent the entire evening wiping on General Vezax. It took us a couple of tries to get the fight right (and as usual, our second try [40%] was our best try up until the 15th), but when we were finally going steady we hit enrage at 5%. After loads of disappointed shouting in vent, we took a look at your DPS meters to see what could be done. Three DPS were underperforming; a priest who is undergeared for Ulduar but which we're carrying through, a warrior tank which off-specs arms in most of his tanking gear on bosses that only need a tank, and, to our surprise, a hunter kitted out in full Naxx 25-man gear - she was pulling off between 1700 and 1800 DPS.

So we had a little talk with the hunter and it turns out she was using aspect of the viper for the entire fight. Somebody told her to use aspect of the hawk and only switch to viper when she ran OOM, which she attempted the next try, but her DPS stayed roughly the same. She fiddled with aspects some more and eventually logged with the message that it was something she couldn't help.

Seeing as we're currently more or less hunterless in the guild, what I basically want to ask the people here is: were we right to speak up to the hunter for dealing ~1800 DPS on Vezax? Is mana regeneration indeed a serious problem for hunters on Vezax? Or is she simply being a huntard not following any rotation?

If it helps, here is her armory; http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Moonglade&n=Elex%C3%ADa

The problem is not as much the movement, but the fact that all means of mana regeneration (except for viper stance for hunters) are completely disabled. I figured this might cause mana troubles for her, lowering her DPS (as it did massively for the undergeared priest).



I can vouch for the helm; she was using a Naxx 10 one iirc, and nobody else needed this one when it dropped. As for the enchants/gems, I suppose we can live with that - at least it's still agility/attack power and not intellect or something.



Mainly because she played a retardin on which she has always pulled off enough damage (nothing grand, but just 'alright'). I guess we'll have to see what we're going to do next, since if there's no solid excuse for lower DPS, 1800 is pretty terrible; I beat that on my PvP specced and geared rogue.

Thanks for the quick response Aeth.

4% hit + 3/3 FA + draenei = hitcapped.


Basically, get us a WWS.
And I don't know crap about retadins but I'm 90% sure that hunters are a hell of a lot more complicated.

A few things:
Shadow crash does work for hunters (at least Explosive Shot does double damage when standing in that black stuff and I believe mana cost is also reduced)
Aspect of the viper only works in part (you get some mana per shot, but not the normal amount viper gives you).
To compensate for this I use a slightly different rotation (basically just explosive shot, black arrow and serpent sting to conserve some mana) and I spend perhaps ~20% of the time in aspect of the viper.

http://wowwebstats.com/uvwa3ax41svem
That's the Vezax wiping night. We haven't had the hunter in a lot of other Ulduar raids and haven't paid much attention to her DPS yet either, though she seemed to be doing a lot better on this go; http://wowwebstats.com/fgmqlvivc6zne .

I was assuming it was 25 man, as mozared is talking about 25naxx gear.
Being in viper for a whole fight still makes you a windowlicker though.

Indeed teel her/him to get hitcapped


Hit rating - The most important stat
Missing a boss means losing dps so this is the first stat to get capped
A slight overview

Level 80 Hit Information

Hit Rating to Hit % Stat
32.79 Hit Rating = 1% Hit

Base Hit Caps
vs. Level 80 mob: 5.0%, 163.95 HR
vs. Level 81 mob: 5.5%, 180.35 HR
vs. Level 82 mob: 6.0%, 196.74 HR
vs. Level 83 mob: 8.0%, 262.32 HR

With Focused Aim Talent Points
(1 Point)
vs. Level 80 mob: 4.0%, 131.16 HR
vs. Level 81 mob: 4.5%, 147.56 HR
vs. Level 82 mob: 5.0%, 163.95 HR
vs. Level 83 mob: 7.0%, 229.53 HR
(2 Points)
vs. Level 80 mob: 3.0%, 98.37 HR
vs. Level 81 mob: 3.5%, 114.77 HR
vs. Level 82 mob: 4.0%, 131.16 HR
vs. Level 83 mob: 6.0%, 196.74 HR
(3 Points)
vs. Level 80 mob: 2.0%, 65.58 HR
vs. Level 81 mob: 2.5%, 81.98 HR
vs. Level 82 mob: 3.0%, 98.37 HR
vs. Level 83 mob: 5.0%, 163.95 HR

If you don't reach the cap through gear/gems/enchants,
you can put some points into the talent focus aim, but doing this will mean not getting other talents that boost your dps.

Also, tell her/him to get an addon like vipernotify, it notifies when you're running oom and it tells you when your mana is back up but you're still in viper.

Hope it helps