Has anyone found the lifebloom nerf tyhat bad in pve?Follow

The main Resto Druid in my guild says he's using it a lot less and finds himself trying to use Nourish more to try to follow the changes. He still does use it but he does not keep it rolling anymore, except sometimes on the tank but even then I see it blooming every now and then so maybe he's just trying to account for spike damage.

All in all, he does feel the nerf. He's still our top healer though, so I'm not worried about Resto Druids so much.

I actually find this "nerf" to be almost more effiecient than before. Say there is a ret pally and a shadow priest in the group. You toss a lifebloom on the tank and then follow up with you other heals. While the lifebloom is ticking, you are getting tons of mp5 from BoW, replinishment, and vampiric touch. Also you should get a ton of mp5 from all the spirit you should be stacking as a resto druid. I usually slow roll lifebloom on the tank (refreshing it just before it blooms until I get 3 stacks and then let it bloom). This style provides a steady Hot and after the bloom I get a huge chunk of mana back! This is after all that mp5 I had already received from previously mentioned buffs, and a lot of times I end up back at full mana after that final bloom. So I am actually finding this to be more of a buff than a nerf if used wisely.

As far as nourish healing goes, I think I learned the most about it after healing Emalon for the first time yesterday. I kept regrowth and rejuvination up at all times with at least one lifebloom up in the slow rolling fashion. I found the damage taken by the offtank to be very bursty so I tried to time it to when Emalon charged one of his adds I would get a bloom off of lifebloom followed by a swiftmend, (nature's swiftness + healing touch if needed), wild growth, followed by two or three nourishes. The affect was amazing! I was looking at 5 or 6k non crits and 10 or 11k crits followed by living seed procs and nature's grace + 720 haste from trinket. With only a lowly 1500 sp I was healing for so much it was ridiculous. After the fight I even got a couple of comments from the tank about how he was worried about my gear at first but impressed with how well I performed. Moral of story, Nourish + Hots = win and lifebloom can be used efficiently even after the 3.1 "nerfs"

Edit: I forgot to mention one thing. I am not sure if this works yet but I am pretty sure that it does. Every time I get an Omen of Clarity proc I cast lifebloom in hopes that the mana will still refund at the end even though it originally costed no mana. If this does indeed work I am getting free 740 mana cast plus 340 back at the end which is very nice for mana regen.

Edited, May 5th 2009 11:29am by Bigbrownbear

I am using it differently, but don't consider it a nerf. To me its just different, and I change accordingly.

It fits in with my pro-active healing methods.

I always test the waters first if I don't already know the tank/fight. Once I gauge their burst drop rate of health I fit my lifebloom in accordingly. It doesn't always go as planned but I can usually get it to where its blooming when needed, not wasting that end heal, and I get some mana back.

I don't automatically roll it out though. I'll always have a rejuv up and often the regrowth. It really changes on the situation and tank.

I was honestly afraid I'd have mana problems after the patch, not the case.

I am glad to hear others opinions on this matter too and that it wasn't the end of the world

I only healed some of Ulduar 10 man fights, as I usually run as Moonkin. Healed cat lady and Iron Council. Cat Lady, I used LBs, but most of times stacked to 2 and let it bloom, WG every CD Rejuv and Regrowth sometimes.
Iron Council, when I was healing the adds tank, I almost never used LB, used a lot of rejuv + regrowth + nourish. A lot of nourish, btw. And used HT when the caster add use that spell that booms everything near him. Had to kinda have HT land right after it, its a lot of damage for the tank to soak up.
When I was raid healing on Iron Council, near the Main Tank, I kept some LBs on the tank and used some nourish on him to help the MT healer, and on raid kept using WG + Rejuv.

I kinda liked the change on LB. If you time it correctly, you can get almost everyone topped off at the same time. It's different tha before, yeah, but not nearly a nerf everyone was expecting.

I have found myself rolling lifebloom on the tanks as it still works well working with other healers to take big spikes off the tank. I will certainly look at letting it bloom more to get mana back.
I must admit for raid healing rejuv and glyped wild growth rocks. Although I do run with mainly shammys as healers so it tends to get a bit overwritten with chain heals.

I have changed glyph back to the lifebloom glyph in pace of nourish again not sure if this is a good idea but I wonder if the extra time on lifebloom will help vs the extra heal for nourish that tends to be more of a topping off/ raid heal for me even though I have been trying to use it more.

Zetter

I had the T7.xx 4 set for a bit but the issue I had was drops I got forced me to break it and I couldnt really justify not taking much better gear for the sake of nourish bonus.
Next Ulduar raid is tonight so I will se how glyph change goes.

Zetter

Revatilize. That's the one that gives mana/rage/energy to the healed target.

As has been stated, with lifebloom, ya just gotta let it bloom. It's exceedingly rare that I roll a 3 stack anymore, and when I do, my mana bar feels it.

My bigger concern since the change is overhealing. I've not yet gotten accustomed to timing my blooms properly.

I've been slowrolling lb and letting it bloom for this fight. then I just keep up rejuv and use nourish and swiftmend for the most part. We definately need to work on our healing strategy though. We found after the first few attempts that a lot of the healers had an obscene amount of overheal, so we're going to try and split into 3 groups of 2 and rotate groups for regen/healing.

If anyone has tips for healing this fight, let me know, we just got to him, so it's learning time. We've gone from 80-90% to 50% on a regular basis, but it's not quite solid yet. Dps is too low as well, which is another issue, but they're not letting me bring my hunter so atm healing is my main concern.

The talents you've taken in place of GotE don't increase healing at all. So essentially if you'd put those talents into GotE you'd be able to do more healing. You'd straight up have the potential to simply cast more spells in that period of time. Sure that means you have the potential to burn through more mana, but it's not like it affects your dpm, and it doesn't require you to heal every GCD, but in a burst situation you can. I mean, it's not like theres some amazing healing talent you give up to get it. brambles and barkskin do a lot less for your healing. I don't run out of mana much either, and I have GotE, it's not really a good argument. I don't think the talent is that amazing, but it's not causing you to have more mana.

I wasn't lecturing you, I was asking why you made the choices you did. Sure, I didn't really do it in a very questioning way, but you answered me anyway. I'm fairly new to playing my druid, and so am curious as to why people pick certain specs and what they see as the advantages. Perhaps the talent is really lackluster, and just seems like a good idea because I don't have that much experience. Your explanation of the fact that you're pvp oriented explained this, probably something I would have realized if I was more experienced.

I also pointed out that you're an idiot, but that's really a separate issue isn't it?

Edited, May 18th 2009 1:00am by Xsarus

I know this has wandered a bit since I last posted. But I after taking lifebloom glyph I am finding it works well in Ulduar 10 man with little Mana issues.
It helps a lot during fights like Ignis and Razor phase 2 when the tanks can get out of range or there are heal interups coming.
I have as suggested let it bloom and then reapplied it and this helps mana regen even more. The only time I have have had mana issues so far is when DPS has been low and fights drag on forever.

I still find nourish a bit of a pain as the bonus for having a hot on the target when healing can be hard to get working when the raid is taking a spanking and you want to drop heals on people fast. As hotting them healing then with nourish can be a bit of a pain. So nourish still ends up being used to heal big spike hits to the tanks.

Zetter

Biting Cold, it acts like the fight against Keristraza in Nexus.

People are always taking constant damage and that paired with Frozen Blows in the 25 man someone is always needed to be healed.

Melee usually never is the ones who take the big heals there. It's the casters since a lot of them aren't willing to drop their dps for the sake of the raid. Plus we need all the dps we can get cause that fight gets crazier as it goes on.