Ret DPSFollow

if mana is ever an issue in raid, which it should never be with proper CDs, the simple answer is: FLASK! one Int flask buff will give you a bigger pool(esp with Kings) and more effect on mana regen abilities.

I meant to try it in Naxx last night, but forgot to change my button bars before I went in. I'll try in OS25 on Friday.

I use it in pvp. Out of my ~75 games this season, it's killed me exactly once, and we were losing that match anyway. Sacred shield is not triggered by the recoil damage but if something does proc it, it will absorb seal of blood self-damage. Another very important point: Art of War instant heals no longer reset your swing timer so you can hit that proc every time it flashes up, global cooldowns permitting.

I've tried Seal of Command recently, and it just doesn't provide the damage i need to drop a hotted up druid or whatever.

I run 3s with a disc priest, one renew takes care of everything. And my strategy in 2s with a mut rogue is to chain CC on one target and burst the other. If that doesn't work, bubble/Hand of protection the rogue to reset the match and try once more after all 4 of us have blown a lot of cooldowns. Cons: We have to be extremely fast reacting to trinkets for the team to work. Pros: Matches are over in 30 seconds!

So... Seal of the Martyr is good enough to PvP with? I thought that something that causes recoil damage when you don't have a healer would be a no no?


Sorry about the sarcasm there...

^^^^Yep, it's called burst damage for a reason. And if you don't get an art of war proc from that initial burst, your paladin is broken.

in a tight AB win last night i did 800k dmg and 200k healing...only 3 deaths with no dedicated healer. SoB is pretty viable. only drawback is vs DKs...while we die with each hit, they heal with each hit(wtf). another note: dont DS a node with 5 horde...it hurts.

Ret pallies are extremely versatile. I don't know how many times I have seen a Ret pally save the day by healing the last little bit of an encounter when the healers go squish. In H UP on my Ret I was often healing the tank to finish skadi back in the day when our silly healers got caught by his whirlwind before we were geared up. Another example is on Saftey dance when 2 healers failed the dance. Plus with dual specs you can be a DPS for most encounters then pop over to holy for an encounter where you might need a 3rd healer in the back like 4 horseman.

And replenishment, you really take this one for granted until you end up in a heroic sometime with out it, I really feel the difference on my mage it's huge.

As for seal of the gimp (SoC) I have helped so many up and coming Ret's get over their fear of blood. Most of them after seeing their DPS go up by 700 want to have my babies for finally convincing them to stop using the gimp lol.

Well, Ret player is not only about DPSing. We do good DPSing, on my guild i was top on damage on nax (undeads) and now in ulduar i am going on on 2 - 3 spot since some fight need you to run away ( = not dpsing). But also, having the ability to regain mana for eveyone is a blessing. My guild was doing Razor in Ulduar and the healers were runing short on mana. When i get in the raid, the situation changed. More mana for everyone plus healing from JoL. It makes a huge diference.

So, even if i were 4 or 5 on dpsing, all the ability we put for the raid it compensate it. 1 blessing, JoL, replenishment, aura, reduce threat ability, Repetance.


There just 1 thing we lack. We suck with interrupts ; ; sad but truth. Warriors and rogue have the game in there, and sadly, some bosses in Ulduar you need to interrump them or it mostly be a wipe or healers will go oom.