So we use two paladin tanks for our Ulduar progression and it's worked swimmingly so far. However on IC we seem to have weird problems keeping them up without burning big cooldowns right away.
When you're tanking Steelbreaker is it better if the Paladin tanking spams cleanse (or whatever its called to break a magic effect) on himself during fusion punch or have our Shadowpriest do it because the tank needs his GCD's for something else? Normally it's a Shaman and a Druid healing so we can't cleanse it. It seems to be the one thing holding us back from beating this encounter.
Also what strategy would you guys use on Auriaya with two PLD tanks?
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Steelbreaker:
Fusion Punch has a long cast. SOMEONE should be dispelling this. Personally I've got an insanely good priest who runs w/ me on both 10 and 25 man and he's always handled it. Failing that, take the time out of your rotation to get it yourself. It HAS to be dispelled before it ticks, which means it is the #1 priority for pretty much the entire raid. You take the punch, 1 tick from the debuff and another hit from melee and you aren't going to live.
Auriya:
I am assuming this is a 10 man question, since it seems like you're running 2 tanks. Either way, everyone should be stacked up right in front of Auriya. EVERYONE. This means having the OT(s) tank all of the adds in that same scrum. Just have the DPS focus on the initial adds until they're all dead, then focus on the boss. When she spawns the wave of adds, just AoE them down. When the feral defender spawns, hold it and tank it right on top of everyone. Don't even DPS it down unless going for the achievement.
Fusion Punch has a long cast. SOMEONE should be dispelling this. Personally I've got an insanely good priest who runs w/ me on both 10 and 25 man and he's always handled it. Failing that, take the time out of your rotation to get it yourself. It HAS to be dispelled before it ticks, which means it is the #1 priority for pretty much the entire raid. You take the punch, 1 tick from the debuff and another hit from melee and you aren't going to live.
Auriya:
I am assuming this is a 10 man question, since it seems like you're running 2 tanks. Either way, everyone should be stacked up right in front of Auriya. EVERYONE. This means having the OT(s) tank all of the adds in that same scrum. Just have the DPS focus on the initial adds until they're all dead, then focus on the boss. When she spawns the wave of adds, just AoE them down. When the feral defender spawns, hold it and tank it right on top of everyone. Don't even DPS it down unless going for the achievement.
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Failing that, take the time out of your rotation to get it yourself.
I couldn't agree more with this statement. In fact, the tank might as well act like they're the only one that can get rid of the debuff, and be prepared to do so regardless. I've always felt that because we have Cleanse, it's part of our job to use it on ourselves, even if our healer or a DPS can do the same thing. We generate so much threat, taking time out of whatever rotation is used isn't going to be a huge deal.
Yup, about halfway though his cast, i just spam cleanse on my self. then go back in to my tanking rotation.
imo, it is better for me to use a gcd, then a healer. I have not had a single problem doing it my self.
imo, it is better for me to use a gcd, then a healer. I have not had a single problem doing it my self.
The Paladin should definately be Cleansing himself.
Also for Auriaya the biggest challenge of the fight is the pull imo. The easiest way to do this is to have one tank blow all CDs (trinkets, shield walls etc.) and pull all 3 mobs. Have the 2nd tank taunt the boss and pull her into position while the other tank handles the adds. The Add tank will need massive heals at first until after the initial pounces. To be safe have the entire raid hide LoS around the corner that is directly atop the stairs, until the tank gets the adds into position. Everyone except the healers of course. Another huge bonus is to have each pally tank BoP a healer as he pulls so that that healer can heal without fear of being pounced. Once the adds are undercontrol and dead, then all you have to do is make sure you are grouped up infront of her at all times. Very easy fight after you get the pull undercontrol.
Also for Auriaya the biggest challenge of the fight is the pull imo. The easiest way to do this is to have one tank blow all CDs (trinkets, shield walls etc.) and pull all 3 mobs. Have the 2nd tank taunt the boss and pull her into position while the other tank handles the adds. The Add tank will need massive heals at first until after the initial pounces. To be safe have the entire raid hide LoS around the corner that is directly atop the stairs, until the tank gets the adds into position. Everyone except the healers of course. Another huge bonus is to have each pally tank BoP a healer as he pulls so that that healer can heal without fear of being pounced. Once the adds are undercontrol and dead, then all you have to do is make sure you are grouped up infront of her at all times. Very easy fight after you get the pull undercontrol.
We sometimes run with 2 pala tanks also but we always have our pala tank on Steelbreaker as he is the best geared. I've done IC about 4 or 5 times now solo healing our pala tank as a healadin.
I've worked out that it's all about timing.
Fusion Punch has a long cast time so what to do is time a HL to land just after the punch, no more than 0.5 ses and then immediately cleanse. HL will heal up the tank to around 75% and the DoT is cleanse before it ticks. Then just holy shock or FoL to top up.
Takes a couple goes to get the timing down but it's perfectly doable. Dunno about the other healing classes though. We normally have 2 healers on the tank who is tanking the other 2 bosses.
oh and beware any haste trinkets you have. Mine procced once and my HL landed too early which killed the tank!
I've worked out that it's all about timing.
Fusion Punch has a long cast time so what to do is time a HL to land just after the punch, no more than 0.5 ses and then immediately cleanse. HL will heal up the tank to around 75% and the DoT is cleanse before it ticks. Then just holy shock or FoL to top up.
Takes a couple goes to get the timing down but it's perfectly doable. Dunno about the other healing classes though. We normally have 2 healers on the tank who is tanking the other 2 bosses.
oh and beware any haste trinkets you have. Mine procced once and my HL landed too early which killed the tank!
I dont see why the Paladin cant cleanse himself of the dot, one GCD is not going to make him lose aggro and im sure the mana cost isnt an issue. As a healer I preferred it if someone else was cleansing it so I could continually hit the tank with my big heals so a poorly timed melee didnt finish him.
I always, always cleanse myself, and more so in IC. Threat is a non-issue for palatanks, and has been so for quite a while, and wasting a GCD will not kill you, but not doing so might.
That's how I do it anyhow and I can't imagine why NOT cleansing yourself is a good option. If there's something I'm missing, please do tell me though.
That's how I do it anyhow and I can't imagine why NOT cleansing yourself is a good option. If there's something I'm missing, please do tell me though.
My ret paladin takes care of that against steelbreaker, allowing the tanks and healers to focus on their jobs better.
/cast [target=Buffellow] Cleanse
Doesn't even detarget the boss.
/cast [target=Buffellow] Cleanse
Doesn't even detarget the boss.
EbanySalamonderiel wrote:
I dont see why the Paladin cant cleanse himself of the dot, one GCD is not going to make him lose aggro and im sure the mana cost isnt an issue. As a healer I preferred it if someone else was cleansing it so I could continually hit the tank with my big heals so a poorly timed melee didnt finish him.
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I also self cleanse Fusion Punch off myself when tanking Steelbreaker. We havent progressed passed Iron Council yet (first chance was last week and we only got a couple of shots at it before calling time for the night). Once you get the cleanse down pat and move him if those runes appear beneath him its not too much trouble. The offtank should be pulling the other two right to the back so that the raid doesnt suffer from Brundir's aoe as this was what seemed to be wiping us in the second phase when death runes and Brundir's aoes happened to come up together.
Are the feral defenders that spawn in the Auriaya fight even tankable? It seems to me they drop aggro every 2-3 secs and pounce a new target. Taunt works but keeping them on me 100% of the time seems impossible. As far as the start of the fight we just get a hunter to drop a trap on Auriaya's path then I just let loose with the aoe while our hunter Misdirects to our Warrior tank (or he just taunts Auriaya himself).
Are the feral defenders that spawn in the Auriaya fight even tankable? It seems to me they drop aggro every 2-3 secs and pounce a new target. Taunt works but keeping them on me 100% of the time seems impossible. As far as the start of the fight we just get a hunter to drop a trap on Auriaya's path then I just let loose with the aoe while our hunter Misdirects to our Warrior tank (or he just taunts Auriaya himself).
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Are the feral defenders that spawn in the Auriaya fight even tankable? It seems to me they drop aggro every 2-3 secs and pounce a new target. Taunt works but keeping them on me 100% of the time seems impossible.
No it isn't tankable, but it is stunnable/tauntable and can also be death gripped out of the raid right before it dies if you are killing it or it is nearly dead from incidental aoe.
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As far as the start of the fight we just get a hunter to drop a trap on Auriaya's path then I just let loose with the aoe while our hunter Misdirects to our Warrior tank (or he just taunts Auriaya himself).
I assume this is on 10man, as all 4 adds on you on 25 is good way to die. Best to use 3 tanks and separate the cats from each other and the boss as quickly as possible as they have a 25% increased dam stacking aura per cat.
Don't bother trying to seperate the adds. They hit for **** damage and moving them out of the stack of people is going to get people pounced.
10 man Ulduar for us yes. I forgot to pop Divine protection last time we did the pull and managed to survive it without any hiccups. Getting the raid to group up after the aoe fear seems to be the hardest part for us >.<
Mark the MT (and only the MT). If they can't stack on a giant X, what the hell are they capable of doing?
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Also what strategy would you guys use on Auriaya with two PLD tanks?
just mark the adds and do a kill order use Divine protection right after ya pull. if you run with a ret have him pop his bubble and then the 30% damage reduction raid wide from prot tree. at least most the ret pallies in my guild picked it up. saves you from haveing to use divine protection right away. we just stack everyone around cornor cats and auriaya. cept we use the railing not the real cornor.
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If they can't stack on a giant X, what the hell are they capable of doing?
dieing..
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