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#1 Apr 28 2009 at 4:40 PM Rating: Decent
Is death grip bugged in PvP?

When I was 71, a 80 druid flew on top of the mast of a ship and started nuking me, I tried to DG him down, but it said he was immune, just assumed that the lvl difference caused that.


Today, at lvl 76 a 79 Hunter did the same thing, I tried to DG him down and it said he was immune. Not for sure if this is intended or a bug or something else.

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#2 Apr 28 2009 at 7:50 PM Rating: Decent
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I'd guess a pathing issue with them being on a platform with no connection to your own.
#3 Apr 28 2009 at 8:27 PM Rating: Decent
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Ehcks wrote:
I'd guess a pathing issue with them being on a platform with no connection to your own.

Obvious answer to obvious question.
#4 Apr 29 2009 at 4:24 PM Rating: Decent
Sorry,wasn't that obvious to me. I submitted a ticket and asked Blizzard that question, they told me that death grip cannot be used on boats or docks or zepplin towers, that this was a fix to death grip. Don't think they understood that the tower wasn't a zepplin tower, just a tower out in Zul Drak.

Although, I asked them why someone could stand on top of the mast and nuke you and you couldn't bring him down, I asked them if this was an exploit and they said currently it wasn't, but they were going to monitor the situation.
#5 Apr 29 2009 at 5:27 PM Rating: Default
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I had this happen to me today in Venomspite. Does a pally's bubble make them Immune? Because it was a running bubbled pally that I got the Immune with.
#6 Apr 29 2009 at 6:21 PM Rating: Decent
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VomicatheFaithful wrote:
I had this happen to me today in Venomspite. Does a pally's bubble make them Immune? Because it was a running bubbled pally that I got the Immune with.

Seriously?

SERIOUSLY?!

http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=642

/facepalm
#7 Apr 29 2009 at 6:42 PM Rating: Good
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Ill take that as you saying "yes a pally's bubble does make them immune".

Thanks for making it clear.

Edited, Apr 29th 2009 7:45pm by VomicatheFaithful
#8 Apr 29 2009 at 8:56 PM Rating: Decent
whats up with Theophany feeling like he needs to post his aggression? people come here with questions looking for helpful answers, not a prick nerd scrutinizing them for not knowing as much about wow or where to find the answers.

to Theophany: there are lots of stupid people that play wow. there are lots of stupid people that dont play wow. get the **** over it you aren't the best either.
#9 Apr 29 2009 at 10:18 PM Rating: Decent
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holynazzi wrote:
whats up with Theophany feeling like he needs to post his aggression? people come here with questions looking for helpful answers, not a prick nerd scrutinizing them for not knowing as much about wow or where to find the answers.

to Theophany: there are lots of stupid people that play wow. there are lots of stupid people that dont play wow. get the @#%^ over it you aren't the best either.

When someone asks an incredibly stupid question, I nerdrage for like an hour.

Just kidding. But I do post and try to make said person feel like a moron.

Which they should, because, y'know, when it says, "Protects the paladin from all damage and spells for 12 sec," I expect them to understand that yes, Death Grip is a spell, and yes, when something is immune to a spell IT DOES NOT WORK.

For ****'s sake, you make it seem like I'm picking on the mentally retarded.

Oh, wait. Smiley: lol
#10 Apr 30 2009 at 1:09 AM Rating: Decent
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holynazzi wrote:
whats up with Theophany feeling like he needs to post his aggression? people come here with questions looking for helpful answers, not a prick nerd scrutinizing them for not knowing as much about wow or where to find the answers.


While I agree theo can come across as a prick on many occasions, most of the regular posters here expect people to at least put forth the effort to find the answers to their questions before they make a post about it. Many questions can be answered with a simple search much quicker then making a post and waiting for a reply.

It's the whole give a fish, teach to fish thing. Think of it as a gentle prod to get people to at least attempt to look up the info before asking for it.
#11 Apr 30 2009 at 1:11 AM Rating: Excellent
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Pathing issues would be the obvious answer, but I've Death Gripped people from pillars and rooftops before, without there being a walkable path between them. Of course, if the path has you going down and then up a place too high to jump, it might be the reason. Hmm...





 
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#12 Apr 30 2009 at 3:37 AM Rating: Decent
Well Theo posted an obvious answer to an obvious question, according to Blizzard it isn't pathing, it depends on where they are at will make them immune, so not so obvious. So if trying to make a person feel like a moron makes you feel good, I guess to each his own.

I started posted on here because you post on WoW forums, you have to filter through all the smart ##*@ answers, guess its the same everywhere.
#13 Apr 30 2009 at 3:53 AM Rating: Decent
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Sweet lord jesus, nice drawing Maz
#14 Apr 30 2009 at 4:34 AM Rating: Good
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Overlord Theophany wrote:
VomicatheFaithful wrote:
I had this happen to me today in Venomspite. Does a pally's bubble make them Immune? Because it was a running bubbled pally that I got the Immune with.

Seriously?

SERIOUSLY?!

http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=642

/facepalm


Sometimes you're just too quick to judge. Death Grip is a brand new taunt. You know what else is a brand new taunt? Hand of Reckoning.

It did damage through Divine Shield and Ice Block until they made it not work on players at all.
#15 Apr 30 2009 at 6:17 AM Rating: Decent
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So if trying to make a moron feel like a moron makes you feel good, I guess to each his own.

fixed that for you.

Not looking up the spell you ask about is moronic behavior. It's asking someone else to do your homework.
#16 Apr 30 2009 at 7:20 AM Rating: Good
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The vast majority of the time someone comes here with a valid NEW question that hasn't been answered in the 16,000 previous posts, you will get an awesomely insightful response/discussion from the regular posters here.
I can completely understand how frustrating it can get when the same questions get asked over and over and over and over and over and...well you get my point. It falls on the question poster to do a little research prior to posting a question.

Think of it this way, in math class, could you walk up to your teacher and ask them if they would do the entire problem for you from start to finish? Of course not. They would look at you like you were an idiot (which you would be). They would expect you to put in a respectable amount of effort before they will give you some help.

Even when you do get some grief from regular posters here, it's NOTHING compared to what you could get on other forums. Go try asking a question like that on ElitistJerks and see what would happen.

Put a little effort in and you will get a respectful answer. If you're not willing to do so, go back to the O-boards.

Edited, Apr 30th 2009 10:22am by Jornam
#17 Apr 30 2009 at 7:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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Man who cares what Theo writes. We all know his personality. He was right to jump on me and Ill just continue to take him with a grain of salt.
#18 Apr 30 2009 at 7:33 AM Rating: Good
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yet somehow, by the grace of god, dozens of other posters are capable of answering the same questions over and over without being total douches about it. Hmmm...
#19 Apr 30 2009 at 7:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'm not saying that his attitude is right, just that I won't let it affect my life.
#20 Apr 30 2009 at 8:11 AM Rating: Decent
Others just have more patience because they usually don't deal as much with the exact same question (or a question that can easily be answered by just googling "Paladin Bubble" or something of the sort) over and over again.

There are times when I'll go ahead and answer someone's question that I've answered a million times without being a douche, and other times, I get irritated. For me, posting all depends on how my day is going and whether or not I feel like helping out those that are too lazy to help themselves.

And I'm sure that goes the same for many others on here, whether they admit it or not.
#21 Apr 30 2009 at 10:22 AM Rating: Good
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KTurner wrote:
yet somehow, by the grace of god, dozens of other posters are capable of answering the same questions over and over without being total douches about it. Hmmm...

Yet somehow, by the grace of God, dozens of other posters are able to go to wowhead and look up an ability they have a question about before posting here.

I'm not saying I'm right to be a **** all the time, but in this case, I felt justified. Pally bubble makes you immune to every spell until it's removed (via Mass Dispel). That's common knowledge. Asking whether it makes them immune to Death Grip is pretty stupid, IMO.
#22 Apr 30 2009 at 2:42 PM Rating: Decent
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Overlord Theophany wrote:
Pally bubble makes you immune to every spell until it's removed (via Mass Dispel). That's common knowledge. Asking whether it makes them immune to Death Grip is pretty stupid, IMO.


True, if the person asking the question is aware that Death Grip is a spell and not a physical ability like Charge. The whole spell animation and fancy colors should give it away, but I've met people who only recently learned of auto-run, so give people a little slack.

KTurner wrote:
yet somehow, by the grace of god, dozens of other posters are capable of answering the same questions over and over without being total douches about it.


This.

Maybe I'm being weaksauce, or maybe seven years in customer service has broken me, but I don't see how being rude to people helps in any way. You get to blow some steam, sure, but you'll also provoke people and cause unnecessary conflicts. If you feel that the person asking is being a complete and utter numbskull, simply don't reply. I know that this won't help your +1, but you'll just have to live with that.

As for blowing steam. You do play computer games, right?
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#23 Apr 30 2009 at 5:30 PM Rating: Default
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Mazra wrote:
Overlord Theophany wrote:
Pally bubble makes you immune to every spell until it's removed (via Mass Dispel). That's common knowledge. Asking whether it makes them immune to Death Grip is pretty stupid, IMO.


True, if the person asking the question is aware that Death Grip is a spell and not a physical ability like Charge. The whole spell animation and fancy colors should give it away, but I've met people who only recently learned of auto-run, so give people a little slack.

Uh, physical abilities don't work on bubble either, idiot.

/facepalm
#24 May 01 2009 at 12:07 AM Rating: Good
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Overlord Theophany wrote:
Uh, physical abilities don't work on bubble either, idiot.

Overlord Theophany wrote:
Yet somehow, by the grace of God, dozens of other posters are able to go to wowhead and look up an ability they have a question about before posting here.

ohmikegod the Venerable wrote:
Not looking up the spell you ask about is moronic behavior. It's asking someone else to do your homework.

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Divine Shield
3% of base mana
Instant cast 5 min cooldown
Protects the paladin from all damage and spells for 12 sec, but reduces all damage you deal by 50%. Once protected, the target cannot be protected by Divine Shield, Divine Protection or Hand of Protection again for 2 min. Cannot be used within 30 sec. of using Avenging Wrath.


I looked up the ability on Wowhead, but couldn't find any useful info in the 38 comments, so I copied the tooltip. Protects against all damage and spells. Okay, so I'm guessing taunts and snares are classified as spells. Fair enough. Nowhere does it say "all physical abilities," so don't use that as an excuse to be snide here.

If I hadn't played a Paladin myself, I'd be confused as hell by that tooltip. Why won't my non-damaging snares work? Why can't I land my taunt on the Paladin? Why does "all spells" exclude Mass Dispel? Are Blizzard megalazy when it comes to writing tooltips?

So, if people don't know how to classify Death Grip, and with a sh*tastic tooltip like that for Divine Shield, can you really blame them for seeking answers here? Personally, I'd give them the benefit of the doubt and answer their questions politely. Yet, somehow, you continue to be very rude about it.

I'm guessing all this 'I don't mean to be rude, but people need to help themselves' is just a load of bullsh*t you fling out in an attempt to hold the stuff together. Just say it like it is, Theo. You see people who know less about the game than you as lowly beings, unworthy of your time or a decent tone.

At least you'd be honest.

Edit: And in all honesty, I think you should move to a site more dedicated to theorycrafting. Not that your knowledge of the game has gone unnoticed here, but it seems that for every good, helpful and informative post you make, you also make a dozen where you ***** at people for not knowing what you know. Just saying.

Edited, May 1st 2009 10:12am by Mazra
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#25 May 01 2009 at 1:11 AM Rating: Default
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Actually, I ***** at people when they ask obvious questions.

The ONLY thing that can touch a paladin in bubble is mass dispel. That's it.

By that logic, would Death Grip be able to work on a paladin?

Duh. Smiley: rolleyes
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Overlord Theophany wrote:
Actually, I ***** at people when they ask obvious questions.

The ONLY thing that can touch a paladin in bubble is mass dispel. That's it.

By that logic, would Death Grip be able to work on a paladin?

Duh. Smiley: rolleyes


Again, obvious to anyone who has played the game for some time, or has played a Paladin. If all you have to go by is the tooltip and spell description then it's not very obvious.

Not everyone thinks like you. All it takes is for one person to misunderstand or misinterpret something and you've got a question that, to many others, seem obvious or even stupid. The person asking the question, however, doesn't see this. So instead of just believeing the guy to be an idiot as you so eloquently put it, ask yourself if perhaps the person has misunderstood something along the road. Bring about clarification in a friendly manner and the person will be thankful.

Really, it's not so hard. You might even save some time on it, because basically you have to do what you do now, but leave out the derogatory terms. Unless you type 'Paladin bubble makes them immune to everything save Mass Dispel, idiot' faster than 'Paladin bubble makes them immune to everything save Mass Dispel', in which case you might want to consult someone about it.
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