I know there was a similar post before the patch that was talking about the changes to Natures Bounty and the effects it had on the use of regrowth and nourish. But since the patch I dont think I have seen any discussion on it.
I dont want a link to some post that has hpm and all this other info that I find unnecessary, just what are your reactions post patch? A normal nourish for me was healing for more than regrowth(minus the hot) last night in Uldaar even without the nourish glyph. Should regrowth still be used over nourish? Has the change to natures bounty changed the way you healed?
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I am no longer on top of the latest theory crafting in regards to this issue. But with all the bonusses available nourish should pull ahead a bit in healing from what i hear. The issue with regrowth vs nourish has not just been the healing amount, but also the crit chance. With all the changes to that I notice myself casting reju/regrow/nourish-spam a lot more and the occasional lifebloom when needed. Of course now that nourish gain a benefit from WG aswell that gets tossed in there aswell.
I'm actually glad that someone started this discussion. I leveled my druid to 80 right after my rogue, then got him geared, and went back to my rogue.
So, there has been some changes since then. I've been currently trying the new nourish glyph out, and when I have a few hots up on my target I hit 9-10k crits all day long with nourish. Since healing really doesn't work on the target dummies, I just use the dummies hanging out in org.
Granted I'm in full 7.5, and have pretty good gear for all slots, but I am not BiS.
Anyways, I'm curious to see what other druids are using in their "healing rotations" with the changes in 3.1, too.
Edit: Also, IIRC, the mana cost of Nourish is lower than all other heals. Although, it is most effective with as many hots up as possible on the target, it still seems to be pretty efficient since people stack hots anyways.
Edited, Apr 22nd 2009 11:19am by Feyras
So, there has been some changes since then. I've been currently trying the new nourish glyph out, and when I have a few hots up on my target I hit 9-10k crits all day long with nourish. Since healing really doesn't work on the target dummies, I just use the dummies hanging out in org.
Granted I'm in full 7.5, and have pretty good gear for all slots, but I am not BiS.
Anyways, I'm curious to see what other druids are using in their "healing rotations" with the changes in 3.1, too.
Edit: Also, IIRC, the mana cost of Nourish is lower than all other heals. Although, it is most effective with as many hots up as possible on the target, it still seems to be pretty efficient since people stack hots anyways.
Edited, Apr 22nd 2009 11:19am by Feyras
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Feyras healing doesn't really have any rotations. It's pretty much roll hots on who you can and pump out nourish regrowth on people.
You should level my rogue btw...
But yeah, I've taken to nourish much more than I have to regrowth in the past. Regrowth feels slow as hell now with the ng changes for resto (though I love them as boom). The times I do heal have gone pretty well and I'm seeing my usage of nourish just skyrocket because of how fast it can be pushed out.
Plus I've had some pretty sweet blooms on tanks when they needed that extra 16k push of life.
You should level my rogue btw...
But yeah, I've taken to nourish much more than I have to regrowth in the past. Regrowth feels slow as hell now with the ng changes for resto (though I love them as boom). The times I do heal have gone pretty well and I'm seeing my usage of nourish just skyrocket because of how fast it can be pushed out.
Plus I've had some pretty sweet blooms on tanks when they needed that extra 16k push of life.
Regrowth is now my staple along with Rejuv with tank healing, with Nourish being my primary heal and LB being Nourish fodder. It's more important now (IMO) to consistently ensure Regrowth is active (when tank healing) due to the LB changes and no incentive to roll past 3 LB's. I typically use 1 LB unless incoming DMG is heavy (ie. Soft Enrages, etc), that's the only time I roll to 3 before blooming.
I don't want to rely on timing my LB blooms (other than fights like Loatheb), so I've just been weening myself off using it as a staple, period. In terms of spike healing, Regrowth isn't any more beneficial than Nourish (unless using new RG Glyph, haven't tried that yet), and Nourish from a base standpoint (even without the new Glyph) will put out better numbers than Regrowth. However, an active RG and RJ are the two HoT's I maintain active at all times. I don't like the nerf to crit chance, though...as I've consistently seen a fairly considerable difference in my crit (even with Nourish), and I'm almost considering starting to Gem/Stack Crit in favor of Spirit/MP5 since I have no mana issues if the boss fights don't get to Enrages and don't have drawn out Soft Enrages.
Edited, Apr 23rd 2009 7:49am by Ryneguy
I don't want to rely on timing my LB blooms (other than fights like Loatheb), so I've just been weening myself off using it as a staple, period. In terms of spike healing, Regrowth isn't any more beneficial than Nourish (unless using new RG Glyph, haven't tried that yet), and Nourish from a base standpoint (even without the new Glyph) will put out better numbers than Regrowth. However, an active RG and RJ are the two HoT's I maintain active at all times. I don't like the nerf to crit chance, though...as I've consistently seen a fairly considerable difference in my crit (even with Nourish), and I'm almost considering starting to Gem/Stack Crit in favor of Spirit/MP5 since I have no mana issues if the boss fights don't get to Enrages and don't have drawn out Soft Enrages.
Edited, Apr 23rd 2009 7:49am by Ryneguy
At the moment my Nourish is healing for about 15% less than my initial Regrowth (not including HoT), and I've been testing out which one I like better as well.
HPM/HPS numbers aside, I've found I lose less people when spamming Nourish, then when spamming glyphed Regrowth (apologies to my guildies who got to be the crash test dummies for this :p).
So I'm thinking I'm going to ditch my Regrowth glyph, hopefully for the nourish one; if anyone ever discovers it on my server.
Regrowth is becoming something I only seem to cast on people if I know they won't die before it reaches them, and I want them to have a HoT. That being said I've caught myself sometimes using a Nourish followed by a RJ instead of a RG. It's been giving me extra bang against single DPS spike damage, though I'm locked out for the extra second or so during the GCD following RJ...
MT heals for me has become RJ, RG (for HoT), LB (1-stack), and Nourish spam; with the occasional WG tossed in to give the nearby Martyr-using Ret. Pallies (we always seem to have several) a bit more cushion.
Other heals seem to have become WG and RJ spam, with a Nourish rotation to get through hard times.
Other than that I feel I'm still experimenting myself...
HPM/HPS numbers aside, I've found I lose less people when spamming Nourish, then when spamming glyphed Regrowth (apologies to my guildies who got to be the crash test dummies for this :p).
So I'm thinking I'm going to ditch my Regrowth glyph, hopefully for the nourish one; if anyone ever discovers it on my server.
Regrowth is becoming something I only seem to cast on people if I know they won't die before it reaches them, and I want them to have a HoT. That being said I've caught myself sometimes using a Nourish followed by a RJ instead of a RG. It's been giving me extra bang against single DPS spike damage, though I'm locked out for the extra second or so during the GCD following RJ...
MT heals for me has become RJ, RG (for HoT), LB (1-stack), and Nourish spam; with the occasional WG tossed in to give the nearby Martyr-using Ret. Pallies (we always seem to have several) a bit more cushion.
Other heals seem to have become WG and RJ spam, with a Nourish rotation to get through hard times.
Other than that I feel I'm still experimenting myself...
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I pretty much only use regrowth on tanks these days. Nourish is my raid spike heal, with a lb first if I feel I have time.
For lb, I tend to still roll this on the main tank, but I'm much more likely to let it bloom and it's actually been awesome a few times when the tank has taken spike damage and it blooms in the midst of nourish spam. This puts the tank right back to full.
I've found putting a 3 stack on an offtank picking up adds to be killed and then just ignoring it works really well for fights like the arm dude.
I'm really excited to play with 4t8
Edited, Apr 23rd 2009 5:53pm by Xsarus
For lb, I tend to still roll this on the main tank, but I'm much more likely to let it bloom and it's actually been awesome a few times when the tank has taken spike damage and it blooms in the midst of nourish spam. This puts the tank right back to full.
I've found putting a 3 stack on an offtank picking up adds to be killed and then just ignoring it works really well for fights like the arm dude.
I'm really excited to play with 4t8
Edited, Apr 23rd 2009 5:53pm by Xsarus
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Feyras healing doesn't really have any rotations. It's pretty much roll hots on who you can and pump out nourish regrowth on people.
You should level my rogue btw...
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Thanks for all the replies, I have been using the dummies running around in org to practice different healing techniques.
I am right in putting up a HoT of some sort before I use Nurish, though. I mean, it is still 20% healing. It just sounds like some of you don't do it, but I could have been tired when reading all the comments.
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I'm trying to decide if I should get the nourish glyph. It hasn't been available, although I haven't checked today. It's obviously great for tank healing, and I think that it's probably enough of a difference, but seeing as raid healing is usually just one hot, it's essentially a 6% boost. /shrug
Right now I have innervate, wild growth and swiftmend. Mana hasn't been an issue so I could drop innervate, but it is nice to be able to toss other people an innervate and get mana back yourself.
Right now I have innervate, wild growth and swiftmend. Mana hasn't been an issue so I could drop innervate, but it is nice to be able to toss other people an innervate and get mana back yourself.
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I use both pretty heavily still, about 50/50 to be honest. I have the glyphs for both in my healing set and It's incredible how much better Nourish is with it (with the 4pc Tier7 bonus).
Nourish is the spell I spam during heavy healing encounters like the Pummel in XT-002. Regrowth I keep on the tanks and hit people with when I know lots of random damage is involved like Ignis.
Wildgrowth I pretty much just spam whenever it's not on cooldown.
Nourish is the spell I spam during heavy healing encounters like the Pummel in XT-002. Regrowth I keep on the tanks and hit people with when I know lots of random damage is involved like Ignis.
Wildgrowth I pretty much just spam whenever it's not on cooldown.
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