I apologize for the overasked question but reading the guide up top, it's out of date. I hear Rogue got a LOT of stuff redone and I'm unsure how to go about this.
I'm still debating on which BoA item to get, between Battleworn Thrash Blade Sharpened Scarlet Kris and the Lasting Feralheart Spaulders
Reading the main post it says slow MH, fast OH.
Now the shoulders give good stats, but rarely does a class get any shoulder options until 20+ anyhow, so using my Tattered Dreadmist Mantle wouldn't really hurt any for a while.
Then I was told(and have seen) most quest daggers suck for melee and the Heirloom dagger is no joke.
But the Thrash Blade having procs of double attacks sounds pretty good too.
So it comes down to what is the main idea for PvE Rogue now? She's only level 7 so I got a long ways of killing stuff :)
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Daggers, because you'll be mutilate for a majority of your leveling time (50+).
Unless you go Combat, like a boss.
MYteddy wrote:
Unless you go Combat, like a boss.
Combat leveling is for suckers (after 50).
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MYteddy wrote:
Unless you go Combat, like a boss.
Combat leveling is for suckers (after 50).
Pfft. Combat was the **** for wotlk.
Srsly. Just power into a group of 5 and go to town. If you use evasion BF and AR all at different times.... you never have to wait on a cd for damage.
I've been playing a Mutilate rogue even when people where still laughing at the spec during TBC and worshiping their swords and later fists. Had to hear comments about how inefficient it supposedly was to stealth, have a positional requirement, and whatnot.
My argument back then was that grinding quests have more or less disappeared, and that completing the objective is more rewarding than killing mobs. I still prefer to play my rogue in exactly this way now that I am once more leveling.
BUT a very strong point against daggers has always been the availability of weapons as you level, even more so when you don't waste any time on honor grinds or low-level instances. Heirloom weapons change that a bit, but it's a ton of shards to come up with if you want 2 of them, even more so if your faction sucks and harldy ever wins WG to ensure a reasonable amount of incoming shards.
On the other hand, the first sweet rogue weapons in WotLK are the fists from Nexus/UK and if you can get your hands on those, it's almost asking for a hack 'n' slash combat spec - unless you got better weapons from pre-wrath PvP or raiding OR you absolutely despise the playstyle.
I'd stick to swords, possibly grab those fists in Northrend, and don't bother with daggers until reaching 80. You can always pick up a pair of Paper Cutters for next to nothing then. Get those shoulders. Decent stats AND xp boost are at least as good as picking up the flavor of the month early. That's beside the point that by the time you hit 80 this very flavor might have changed to something else yet again.
My argument back then was that grinding quests have more or less disappeared, and that completing the objective is more rewarding than killing mobs. I still prefer to play my rogue in exactly this way now that I am once more leveling.
BUT a very strong point against daggers has always been the availability of weapons as you level, even more so when you don't waste any time on honor grinds or low-level instances. Heirloom weapons change that a bit, but it's a ton of shards to come up with if you want 2 of them, even more so if your faction sucks and harldy ever wins WG to ensure a reasonable amount of incoming shards.
On the other hand, the first sweet rogue weapons in WotLK are the fists from Nexus/UK and if you can get your hands on those, it's almost asking for a hack 'n' slash combat spec - unless you got better weapons from pre-wrath PvP or raiding OR you absolutely despise the playstyle.
I'd stick to swords, possibly grab those fists in Northrend, and don't bother with daggers until reaching 80. You can always pick up a pair of Paper Cutters for next to nothing then. Get those shoulders. Decent stats AND xp boost are at least as good as picking up the flavor of the month early. That's beside the point that by the time you hit 80 this very flavor might have changed to something else yet again.
MYteddy wrote:
Unless you go Combat, like a boss.
Sh*t on Deborah's desk, like a boss!
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I didn't see this listed but, all the weapons you can get from shards and emblems are item level 1, meaning you can not put any enchants on them from BC and up.
Wrong. They lvl up with you.
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Wrong,I got the Sharpened Scarelet Kris on my 65 rogue. Though it has stats and damage similar to blue items with required levels appropriate for a 65, it still will not take an enchant like Mongoose which has a ilvl 35 requirment, hence why I am using crusader on it.
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Hellscream&n=Martak
Edited, Apr 22nd 2009 9:04pm by Wolfsongor
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Hellscream&n=Martak
Edited, Apr 22nd 2009 9:04pm by Wolfsongor
Wolfsongor wrote:
Wrong,I got the Sharpened Scarelet Kris on my 65 rogue. Though it has stats and damage similar to blue items with required levels appropriate for a 65, it still will not take an enchant like Mongoose which has a ilvl 35 requirment, hence why I am using crusader on it.
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Hellscream&n=Martak
Edited, Apr 22nd 2009 9:04pm by Wolfsongor
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Hellscream&n=Martak
Edited, Apr 22nd 2009 9:04pm by Wolfsongor
Pretty sure this changed in 3.1, though I can't be bothered to go check.
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WoW Armory still shows it with an ilvl 1 http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=44091
Wolfsongor wrote:
WoW Armory still shows it with an ilvl 1 http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=44091
I meant that it would just deactivate the enchant if you don't meet the level requirements.
Also, using the Armory as a source when it often takes weeks to even update something that's done automatically (i.e. character name changes, etc) is kinda lol.
Edited, Apr 22nd 2009 11:41pm by Theophany
Heck, my rogue is still combat with fists, but that's mainly due to the fact that I haven't gotten any decent daggers yet to switch to mut. I actually was thinking about getting the BOA daggers, but then I realized that with both of my 80s, I don't have enough emblems for even just one. It makes me sad. I guess that's what I get for playing on alts *coughonDrakacough*
But I will say this, I'm going to be so out of the loop with Mut when I spec into it. I've been combat since 10, and have loved it. We'll see how much I enjoy Mut though.
But I will say this, I'm going to be so out of the loop with Mut when I spec into it. I've been combat since 10, and have loved it. We'll see how much I enjoy Mut though.
Can't find it, maybe I'm wrong. I thought the BoA items now would scale with character, but any upper lvl enchant would 'deactivate' if you sent the item to a toon not meeting the lvl requirements.
ThomasMagnum wrote:
Can't find it, maybe I'm wrong. I thought the BoA items now would scale with character, but any upper lvl enchant would 'deactivate' if you sent the item to a toon not meeting the lvl requirements.
Well I know the item scales with the toon, but I'm not sure about the enchant. All I know is that I've been trying to find someone to put on the +30 SP enchant on my 49 priest's staff because she can't get the upper level ones due to the enchanter getting the error "Cannot enchant BOA Items." Of course, this was a bit ago, so who knows. Would be nice to get more than just 30 SP.
Couple of things... the higher level enchants can be cast on heirloom items, but as mentioned, they will not "go active" until the appropriate level now, so it may be better to use lesser enchants up front.
As for Combat versus Mutilate, I went mutilate way back when, switched to combat, and now that I have picked back up my rogue in WotLK, I went back to mutilate. Combat leveling with swords was way faster once I finally switched to it in the mid 30's, and then in the 50's I went mutilate, which was slower in killing, but a lot less downtime as I was playing the position and stun game to avoid lots of damage.
In regards to equipment, anything but daggers and fists is better for initial leveling as there are so many more options for you. However, play the way you think you want to and you will be fine and enjoy the game. I am back to loving mutilate, as the shear burst damage on a squishie in World PvP is great.
As for Combat versus Mutilate, I went mutilate way back when, switched to combat, and now that I have picked back up my rogue in WotLK, I went back to mutilate. Combat leveling with swords was way faster once I finally switched to it in the mid 30's, and then in the 50's I went mutilate, which was slower in killing, but a lot less downtime as I was playing the position and stun game to avoid lots of damage.
In regards to equipment, anything but daggers and fists is better for initial leveling as there are so many more options for you. However, play the way you think you want to and you will be fine and enjoy the game. I am back to loving mutilate, as the shear burst damage on a squishie in World PvP is great.
WhiskeyDuck wrote:
Couple of things... the higher level enchants can be cast on heirloom items, but as mentioned, they will not "go active" until the appropriate level now, so it may be better to use lesser enchants up front.
As for Combat versus Mutilate, I went mutilate way back when, switched to combat, and now that I have picked back up my rogue in WotLK, I went back to mutilate. Combat leveling with swords was way faster once I finally switched to it in the mid 30's, and then in the 50's I went mutilate, which was slower in killing, but a lot less downtime as I was playing the position and stun game to avoid lots of damage.
In regards to equipment, anything but daggers and fists is better for initial leveling as there are so many more options for you. However, play the way you think you want to and you will be fine and enjoy the game. I am back to loving mutilate, as the shear burst damage on a squishie in World PvP is great.
As for Combat versus Mutilate, I went mutilate way back when, switched to combat, and now that I have picked back up my rogue in WotLK, I went back to mutilate. Combat leveling with swords was way faster once I finally switched to it in the mid 30's, and then in the 50's I went mutilate, which was slower in killing, but a lot less downtime as I was playing the position and stun game to avoid lots of damage.
In regards to equipment, anything but daggers and fists is better for initial leveling as there are so many more options for you. However, play the way you think you want to and you will be fine and enjoy the game. I am back to loving mutilate, as the shear burst damage on a squishie in World PvP is great.
Once you get to 65 or 70, you should kill things much more quickly as mutilate.
Theo - I realized I was not clear and yes you are right... mutilate is extremely viable now even if you are only grinding... and way more fun too, imo.
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