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So which spec will you guys be running for this season?

I'm thinking good old 41/5/25 with either a disc priest/arcane mage.

Spec: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#fhxcoeMoiroGzZ0xZebfbh0db

Glyphs: Mutilate, Vigor and Prep, or TotT for a bursty setup.

Poisons either wound/wound or wound/mind-numbing

It hasn't been 640 armor penetration in a long time; they've just yet to change the tooltip.

It's something like 6-9% armor penetration, which is hardly negligible.

Also, Ruthlessness is kinda worthless when compared to other talents in the Assassination tree.

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#fhxcoeMRiroczZ0xZebfbh0db:Tpi

Is really the best spec; you can replace the TotT glyph with CloS if you're running healer/DPS in 2s, but TotT is the best for double DPS and 3s/5s.

If you want Imp Ambush, drop Heightened Senses.

I'm rated 2k+ on rogue so I'll add to this, but I disagree with imp ambush for HS, and IMP KS.

If you are running with a Priest, you want 3/3 Focused attacks, drop 1 point from find weakness, do not take Imp kidney. If you want to be really good, no top end rogue really takes imp kidney. Typically you swap between 2/3 and 3/3 of both Find Weakness and Deadened nerves, choose which is best for your group. As for the Sub talents in that link, they are solid, some rogues will drop serrated blades for setup or initiative but not usually for anything else. All depends on play style.

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#fhxcoeMoirRczZ0xZebfbh0db:Tpi is cookie cutter, or 3/3 DN 2/3 FW like I was saying to trade off. With priest you want to outlast so take 3/3 DN, I run FW with mage though.

A good example is to check what the top rogues are running in rankings. Gives you a good idea for resil/ap/crit ratios, the amount of resil needed, professions gems, and especially talents: http://www.arenajunkies.com/rankings/2v2/Rogue/ just click 3v3 to check 3's, find your teams setup and see what is most common.

Edited, Apr 21st 2009 2:36pm by PhaseSix

Edited, Apr 21st 2009 2:37pm by PhaseSix

Idiot? Now that's a little harsh don't you think?

Rogue mage in 2v2, top rogues DO NOT take imp kidney, you can check for yourself on rankings.

DN is taken when running with Priest, or another healer, but priest preferred, and if you are running with Priest you pretty much NEED to take Focused Attacks. FA returns a ton of energy over the length of 100+ games and it ends up being huge for a Rogue Priest group. I typically run with a Frost mage though.

I see what you are saying as far as 2x DPS in 2v2 as far as DN goes, it doesn't get much use as the idea is typically kill or be killed - but depending on your play style some rogues will run 700-800resil and spec into it, and outlive the other team regardless using CC swapping. In 3.0 facing constant DK+Pally it was nice to have the 6% less damage taken, but if you are focusing on double burst - what's the point in throwing the points in there. Most rogues 3.0 were going 3/3DN and 2/3FW, I preferred 3/3FW, and if you are double bursting where do those last 2 talents go... in reality I guess there isn't much else to put them in besides imp kidney, but it's still varies on playstyle. Most players save trinkets and such for kidney shot as it is, factor in DR's, that 6% damage is nice but you rarely will get all of it.

It really is all about play style. With Arcane mage, Kidney might work for you, but it will take coordination since you want both of you on that target for that time. I've always run with frost mage, so we have a lot of CC going on, typically we separate the other team if we can for easy wins - so that Imp Kidney might not make up for much.

My entire post is related to Season 5 arenas though. Things change today. See what works best for you. If you aren't an Engineer, human/nelf, you might want to run more resilience and with Deadened Nerves as getting opened on first by another rogue can cost you the match. That talent can really help. I run a Human with Eng goggles and Lightning Generator, kinda sucky that it got changed but hopefully it will still work out. We didn't fight a single rogue post 2k rating without them also being Engineers.

Edited, Apr 21st 2009 6:34pm by PhaseSix

True, but for Rogue/rogue I'd have one of them running sub or hfb.

Theo, thoughs on spriest/rogue? I've tried shadowdance and mut so far and while ShD is great vs. other rogues, it's lacking in the control + burst needed to handle other classes.

HFB is suggested as being one of the better pvp builds right now due to damage output... I don't see how that's pretty crap. Also ShD is still a high end spec, if you pair it with the flexibility of a mute rogue you are going to have insane burst.

Even running 800resil its hard to live through a good ShD rogue. I would alternate rogue specs and not run 2x the same specs, but I run 2k+ arenas so my experience may be skewed for some people here.

Edited, Apr 22nd 2009 2:12am by PhaseSix

I've never done rogue rogue this season, only RM RP really, at level 70 I played both druid+war and several rogue comps and I agree with what you are saying.

I'm seeing a lot of other rogues in the higher brackets using different specs to throw you off. It works to their advantage. 2400+ there are quite a few rogues speccing shd that are pro at it, I just can't stand it. It doesn't fit my play style. WOTLK changed me.

HFB is for sure harder to play survivability wise, but it rapes certain classes in the right setup, especially 3's.

I'm just going by the RR i've faced in s5 is all, of the VERY FEW double rogue comps we faced, most were swapped specs. And I've just seen a lot of discussion on HFB, I wouldn't dare try it myself with my mage partner. RR typically rapes our faces either way.

Wait, what?

I think he was suggesting that your 70 career doesn't mean much.

Yeah.. I know I don't have the latency or the reaction time to make SHD work. Tendonitis ftw..

Theo I tried out your spec last night and I have to agree, it's better for burst comps. 3/3 vile and 3/3 find weakness.. damn I was @#%^ing people up!

I still argue towards imp ambush though. CS-Mut-CB Evis-Vanish (partially to avoid cc/peels)-Ambush crit and silence/MB/SWD/Gloves/Darkmoon Card: Death is ridiculous. I'm an 800's hero! (1950 mm rating sigh, grind grind)


Also, I'm getting my darkmoon card: once the fair rolls in. Now that gloves and eng trinket are on a 10 second burst cooldown I'd rather run death.



Edit: S4 rating counts until 3.0 hit. Then it was luls.

Edited, Apr 22nd 2009 2:48pm by Banatu

Ah, excuse me then.

Yes sir, leveling on Blackrock, playing with Nightts like the old days.