Any Ele shamans left alive?
How are you doing in 3.1
My DPS seems to have dropped in 3.1 Not sure what is wrong. I'm quite sure my talent allocation was alrite.
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#hAI0qcdItGfzAo0xxc:kMb
DPS ranking in my regular guild raid (nass25) had dropped drastically, from regular top 10, to barely above the tanks.
The feeling sucks...
(Am in full T7.5, but using benefactor's gauntlets when there are spriest or boomkins around.... have about 2.1k SP self buffed)
How do u guys allocate your talent points and any Gluph Changes? I read that LB glyph could be swapped out. But at my SP, I dont think it makes a very big diff?
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Take the points out of Elemental Warding and put them into Convection and Shamanistic Focus.
Replace the Lava Burst glyph with Totem of Wrath glyph. It's better until about ~2400 SP unbuffed.
You must've just gotten worse, the patch didn't do much, and that glyph problem isn't that huge of a difference.
EDIT: Fail @ wording.
EDIT: Fixed info.
Edited, Apr 16th 2009 1:37am by CestinShaman
Edited, Apr 16th 2009 1:40am by CestinShaman
Replace the Lava Burst glyph with Totem of Wrath glyph. It's better until about ~2400 SP unbuffed.
You must've just gotten worse, the patch didn't do much, and that glyph problem isn't that huge of a difference.
EDIT: Fail @ wording.
EDIT: Fixed info.
Edited, Apr 16th 2009 1:37am by CestinShaman
Edited, Apr 16th 2009 1:40am by CestinShaman
Convection and Shamanistic Focus does not affect DPS do they?
I don't have mana issues (yet) even with BoW nerf.
I'll got try the new Glyph and see how it goes. But the recount graph was depressing. If I havent gotten worse, that means all the other classes got buffed a lot.
I also noticed that my guild DKs are no longer the top DPS like they used to be. But they are not that bad. Top are rogues and druids now.
I don't have mana issues (yet) even with BoW nerf.
I'll got try the new Glyph and see how it goes. But the recount graph was depressing. If I havent gotten worse, that means all the other classes got buffed a lot.
I also noticed that my guild DKs are no longer the top DPS like they used to be. But they are not that bad. Top are rogues and druids now.
waihwang wrote:
Convection and Shamanistic Focus does not affect DPS do they?
I don't have mana issues (yet) even with BoW nerf.
I'll got try the new Glyph and see how it goes. But the recount graph was depressing. If I havent gotten worse, that means all the other classes got buffed a lot.
I also noticed that my guild DKs are no longer the top DPS like they used to be. But they are not that bad. Top are rogues and druids now.
I don't have mana issues (yet) even with BoW nerf.
I'll got try the new Glyph and see how it goes. But the recount graph was depressing. If I havent gotten worse, that means all the other classes got buffed a lot.
I also noticed that my guild DKs are no longer the top DPS like they used to be. But they are not that bad. Top are rogues and druids now.
No, they don't affect DPS directly, but it's always good to save mana. You might need it for totems, heals, rez, etc.
Yea, it did seem like other classes did get some big buffs, so maybe they just are getting better while we're the same.
DK's got a bit nerfed, so that makes sense, but I don't know why Druid's and Rogue's would be top.
Maybe you just weren't using flasks or something when your DPS went down? Flasks only last an hour now, make sure they don't wear off and you don't realize.
CestinShaman wrote:
waihwang wrote:
Convection and Shamanistic Focus does not affect DPS do they?
I don't have mana issues (yet) even with BoW nerf.
I'll got try the new Glyph and see how it goes. But the recount graph was depressing. If I havent gotten worse, that means all the other classes got buffed a lot.
I also noticed that my guild DKs are no longer the top DPS like they used to be. But they are not that bad. Top are rogues and druids now.
I don't have mana issues (yet) even with BoW nerf.
I'll got try the new Glyph and see how it goes. But the recount graph was depressing. If I havent gotten worse, that means all the other classes got buffed a lot.
I also noticed that my guild DKs are no longer the top DPS like they used to be. But they are not that bad. Top are rogues and druids now.
No, they don't affect DPS directly, but it's always good to save mana. You might need it for totems, heals, rez, etc.
Yea, it did seem like other classes did get some big buffs, so maybe they just are getting better while we're the same.
DK's got a bit nerfed, so that makes sense, but I don't know why Druid's and Rogue's would be top.
Maybe you just weren't using flasks or something when your DPS went down? Flasks only last an hour now, make sure they don't wear off and you don't realize.
Actually in a full raid situation, my mana is always almost full even after a 10 min boss fight of nonstop casting. Theorycrafters at EJ recommends dropping points in convection to fill in Elemental warding (see link below).
Totems last 5 mins, so it doesn't take as much mana as it used to be (unless you're spamming magma totem)
Off healing is minimal, I only heal to keep my health above 70% when there are alot of aoe raid dmg - Sarth 3D for example. Not to mention Elemental focus also affects healing spells.
Rez is only done out of combat, so I dun see the mana issue here.
Go read this - http://elitistjerks.com/blogs/binkenstein/326-elemental_patch_3_1.html
As far as talents go I'm with Lecanthi. I don't have Convection and it's very, very difficult for me to go OOM.
On the matter of DPS, my numbers are literally identicle pre and post patch. I was at ~3.1k on Patches in our 10-man last week and clocked in at 3124 this week. Not much difference at all.
On the matter of DPS, my numbers are literally identicle pre and post patch. I was at ~3.1k on Patches in our 10-man last week and clocked in at 3124 this week. Not much difference at all.
Lecanthi wrote:
CestinShaman wrote:
waihwang wrote:
Convection and Shamanistic Focus does not affect DPS do they?
I don't have mana issues (yet) even with BoW nerf.
I'll got try the new Glyph and see how it goes. But the recount graph was depressing. If I havent gotten worse, that means all the other classes got buffed a lot.
I also noticed that my guild DKs are no longer the top DPS like they used to be. But they are not that bad. Top are rogues and druids now.
I don't have mana issues (yet) even with BoW nerf.
I'll got try the new Glyph and see how it goes. But the recount graph was depressing. If I havent gotten worse, that means all the other classes got buffed a lot.
I also noticed that my guild DKs are no longer the top DPS like they used to be. But they are not that bad. Top are rogues and druids now.
No, they don't affect DPS directly, but it's always good to save mana. You might need it for totems, heals, rez, etc.
Yea, it did seem like other classes did get some big buffs, so maybe they just are getting better while we're the same.
DK's got a bit nerfed, so that makes sense, but I don't know why Druid's and Rogue's would be top.
Maybe you just weren't using flasks or something when your DPS went down? Flasks only last an hour now, make sure they don't wear off and you don't realize.
Actually in a full raid situation, my mana is always almost full even after a 10 min boss fight of nonstop casting.
I don't get this. My Ele gear isn't bad, it's not great but not bad, and I find myself running low on mana some times. Not dry, but under 50% after the boss is down. I use TS and I have 5/5 Convec and 3/3 UR. With Chain Lightning being ~1000 (IIRC), I don't see how others are having this infinite mana power. Now I can stay up, my mana actually rises without TS (big spikes when I do TS) if I just cut out CL.
Looks like Glyph of Totem of Wrath does help. It upped my DPS quite a bit. (Replaced glyph of LB)
With regard to mana, prior to patch, my mana is almost always full before/after any fight (except when I have to do a lot of mid fight off healing).
Post patch, with BoW/ManaSpring nerf, I actually have to Pot and use thunderstorm to keep mana from becoming dangeorusly low. My guild hasn't gone far in Ulduar yet, but... from the loot tables, it seems like everything has MP5 .... (very few pure DPS caster gear which is +hit/crit/haste/SP)
With regard to mana, prior to patch, my mana is almost always full before/after any fight (except when I have to do a lot of mid fight off healing).
Post patch, with BoW/ManaSpring nerf, I actually have to Pot and use thunderstorm to keep mana from becoming dangeorusly low. My guild hasn't gone far in Ulduar yet, but... from the loot tables, it seems like everything has MP5 .... (very few pure DPS caster gear which is +hit/crit/haste/SP)
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Looks like Glyph of Totem of Wrath does help. It upped my DPS quite a bit. (Replaced glyph of LB)
You should replace glyph of lava instead. Haven't done any testing myself but the math at EJ goes in favor of LB over Lava and it makes sense.
Here's the link
Ops, mistake, I replaced glyph of Lava (not LB).
Yah.. LB is definitely more useful.
Yah.. LB is definitely more useful.
waihwang wrote:
Any Ele shamans left alive?
How are you doing in 3.1
My DPS seems to have dropped in 3.1 Not sure what is wrong. I'm quite sure my talent allocation was alrite.
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#hAI0qcdItGfzAo0xxc:kMb
How are you doing in 3.1
My DPS seems to have dropped in 3.1 Not sure what is wrong. I'm quite sure my talent allocation was alrite.
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#hAI0qcdItGfzAo0xxc:kMb
I know this hasn't been responded to in a while, but I did want to touch on something that may be affecting this.
Apparently there is a bug with Dual Specs, that is affecting Lava Burst in particular. If you dual speced at 3.1 this may have been the cause.
Seems(only theory at this point from the few who tested and were able to get consistent results) like when you dual spec, and switch back to elemental, your lava burst casts a lower rank version. Which is causing ~4k less damage from lava, reducing dps significantly.
SynnTastic wrote:
waihwang wrote:
Any Ele shamans left alive?
How are you doing in 3.1
My DPS seems to have dropped in 3.1 Not sure what is wrong. I'm quite sure my talent allocation was alrite.
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#hAI0qcdItGfzAo0xxc:kMb
How are you doing in 3.1
My DPS seems to have dropped in 3.1 Not sure what is wrong. I'm quite sure my talent allocation was alrite.
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#hAI0qcdItGfzAo0xxc:kMb
I know this hasn't been responded to in a while, but I did want to touch on something that may be affecting this.
Apparently there is a bug with Dual Specs, that is affecting Lava Burst in particular. If you dual speced at 3.1 this may have been the cause.
Seems(only theory at this point from the few who tested and were able to get consistent results) like when you dual spec, and switch back to elemental, your lava burst casts a lower rank version. Which is causing ~4k less damage from lava, reducing dps significantly.
I read about the thread on the O boards yesterday, the suspect was Shamanism talent not working. According to a fellow elem shaman, his LvB crits for about 1k+ less on average than before 3.1. Dps was down by at least 800 overall.
There is mention of this problem on EJ, but they are very much occupied with the debate of how the T8 4pc elem shaman set bonus works to spare some concern; other than to tell posters to test it out on dummies and posting the results.
Apparently ignite mechanics on T8 4pc elem set > Lower LvB crits.
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