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#27 Apr 20 2009 at 6:21 AM Rating: Decent
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The 5 second rule - do we even bother trying to cheat it for extra regen any more? I guess not? No mana issues here so far. We'll still stack spirit for holy concentration and spiritual guidance


Mostly, yes. Basing your healing around the 5SR is now a tactic of days past, it's not rewarding enough anymore. I wouldn't yell at myself if I ocassionaly do it for a little boost, I just wouldn't focus on it. As it is currently, holy should gear more or less the same as disc with the exception that disc takes mp5 over spirit while holy does the opposite. So basically, you'll want Intellect and Spirit foremost as a holy, followed closely by crit - everything else comes after that (though spellpower and haste are argueable).

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I guess what I'm unsure of is whether all this changes the basics of how to heal a tank? While the old rule for a holy priest was to cancel-cast gheals, would we now be better to use faster heals? (pure tank healing I rarely do anyway, certainly the new serendipity works very well for heals on dps then getting a quick gheal in on the tank when needed)


If you're a 'full-time' tank healer, cancelcasting Greater Heal while keeping Renew and Prayer of Mending up is probably still the most effective way of healing. The problem is that the speed on Flash Heal is nice, but that Flash Heal is too expensive to really heal with as holy. My gear is above decent (I got pretty much everyting best in slot the day before the patch [For disc though, I have to add]) and even I run low quick if I use Flash Heal too much. You'll definitely use it when raid healing though - build up Serendipity to 3 stacks and see what helps more; a quick PoH or a quick Greater Heal on the tank. The thing with me here is that if I need to do tank healing I just pop into disc.
#28 Apr 20 2009 at 9:52 AM Rating: Excellent
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Mozared wrote:
[As it is currently, holy should gear more or less the same as disc with the exception that disc takes mp5 over spirit while holy does the opposite.


Whether disc priests should prefer items with MP5 or spirit really depends on their gear level. Spirit scales, MP5 doesn’t. There’s a gear level at which a raid-buffed disc priest gets more mana regen from adding a given amount of spirit than from adding the item budget equivalent in MP5.
#29 Apr 20 2009 at 12:58 PM Rating: Excellent
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I don't do much on the pally forums. I'm too new to really know what they're all talking about.


Ask and you shall receive!

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Plus they're, like, tanks and stuff? Smiley: dubious


You should try it, it's a lot of fun :P I'm also a firm believe in walking a mile in the other person's shoes - being a tank made me a better healer than I'd ever have been without the added perspective.
#30 Apr 20 2009 at 2:05 PM Rating: Excellent
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MetalM wrote:
teacake wrote:
I don't do much on the pally forums. I'm too new to really know what they're all talking about.


Ask and you shall receive!


Awwww but then Bodhi will tell me I'm a scrub cause I can't dance Heigan. I'm not ready for that kind of rejection. Pallies is srs bsns.

No seriously, I didn't mean I was afraid to ask questions. I'm honestly too new to even know the questions (not even 80 yet). I'm just reading for now. And working on my PVP build planning, cause talent calculators are fabulous procrastination tools.

Speaking of PVP, shield with no cooldown tempts me to bring my priest back out, at least for a WG or two. Smiley: sly
#31 Apr 20 2009 at 3:46 PM Rating: Default
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As a not quite to 80 Disc priest, I can say that the new patch sucks compared to before for leveling. I find myself out of mana after only 4 or 5 mobs as opposed to 7 to 8 previously. This is not taking into account the use of our lil Shadowfiend and such, but it is a huge difference for grinding. With the new Hymn set up, the mana regen is worthwhile so it is not too bad overall I suppose, but I do have to pay attention.

As for instance runs, still no real issue though. The new PW:S is great, except that warriors still get upset when or if I use it. Thankfully, 9 out of 10 tanks are either DK's or Pally's so it is not an issue for them.

The only other downside I had was that up until saturday night all of my toons were messed up. Not a single one could spend more than half their talent points and even those would eventually grey out and disappear. I did feel special as I had 3 GM's working on the problem, and ultimately they had no idea either as I was a special case. (Tried consule reset UI commands, deleting/renaming files, everything... only me....)

This basically made playing WoW not fun so I farmed mats to have my dual spec on all 3 of my lvl 70+ toons... not that a rogue REALLY needs dual spec...
#32 Apr 21 2009 at 1:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Looks like my experiences have been similar to other peoples'. I've been healing Ulduar (10- and 25-man) through eight bosses. The regen change doesn't affect many fights; I have had noticeably low mana in some, requiring more use of my tools, but I've only been seriously gasping once or twice.

Shield on the GCD is nice, especially with Borrowed Time. Improved Flash Heal is nice. Aspiration is nice, though it would be nicer with a Penance glyph. I haven't tried the Hymns very much.
#33 Apr 30 2009 at 2:04 PM Rating: Decent
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So, I've been healing in Ulduar, and something has become abundantly clear.

Divine Hymn is exceptionally powerful, BUT you must be able to anticipate when you need it. For the first two seconds of its cast, Divine Hymn does no healing at all. Using Hymn with Inner Focus is spectacular, but unless you have them macroed together, casting IF first delays the first tick of Hymn even more. In the situations Divine Hymn is designed for (lots of people need major healing RIGHT NOW), delays can prove fatal.

So, you must learn to anticipate when you need Divine Hymn, and I think it's imperative to macro IF + Divine Hymn.
#34 Apr 30 2009 at 3:29 PM Rating: Decent
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Using Hymn with Inner Focus is spectacular, but unless you have them macroed together, casting IF first delays the first tick of Hymn even more.


How do you work that one out? Pushing two seperate buttons doesn't really delay Hymns tick for me. I'm generally on the lookout for when to use it and usually push my inner focus and Divine Hymn buttons at the same time.
#35 May 01 2009 at 2:25 AM Rating: Decent
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Ah, but I use Clique, and those two spells are not bound to hotkeys, so it's two separate clicks for me to get the combo off. Or was; I followed my own advice and macroed them together and I've been pleased with the results.
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