BB got BUFFED.Follow

So, I just had a 1K crit with BB, with only 1.8K AP...

I think this could be the start of a very nice friendship. O.o;;

I know it is going to get nerfed, but I just can't help but enjoy it until then. XD

I DESPERATELY hope the opposite.

Right now, it is already giving more threat than it used to. I rather it be available for Blood AoE, without it giving higher threat, too.

Old blood boil could be used for ranged dps spam. You'd go 2xIT, 2xBB, 2xDC and repeat. Or something like that. I kind of miss that but w/e, I guess that was not it's intended use.

New blood boil is more like the missing AoE grinding spell that DKs didn't have. When mobs are too spread appart you need an AoE like bloodboil to reset their aggro range while you're aggroing more mobs. So now you can walk to a mob, blood boil, walk to the next, blood boil, walk to the other, blood boil, it will hold all the mobs in combat for your AoE grinding.



Because stealth needs to be immune to AoE damage?

:)

From what I have seen, the disease bonus is sizable. I didn't bother to actually run any tests, but it seems to be well worth it.

Without even considering the disease damage (one or two), you will be sacrificing one FU ability and one Blood Rune to apply the diseases. That FU ability, as Blood, will not be doing AoE damage. It also will not recieve a disease bonus, if it has one. For the sake of this argument, the remaining Frost or Unholy Rune will not be used.

On the first turn without diseases, you will get 2 BBs. The second turn will get 6. That is with 2 FU abilities (probably DS).

On the other hand, with diseases, you will get 1 PS and/or 1 IT, 1 Pest, 1 BB and 1 FU ability on the first turn. The second will give you 4 BBs and 1 FU ability. (If you use Glyph of Disease, that means the next one will also have 3 BBs instead of 2).

So, without thinking about the disease damage, it is basically the question of whether or not 5 buffed BBs will do more damage than 8 unbuffed ones, which is just under a 1.5 modifier with disease.

I think the numbers may be close, so the disease damage will probably tip it in favor of that one. The loss of one or two FUs in a AoE environment shouldn't be that bad.

And, like I said, Glyph of Disease means only losing those F and U runes on the first turn. After that, you will lose 1 BB every 20 seconds or so (the same as the normal disease rotation).

It could be good. I doubt as good as Unholy or Frost, but still pretty high.

[EDIT]

As Unholy, my BB with one disease was doing about 50% more than my BB without it. The diseases were ticking in the 275+ range. So Blood could expect something in the 200 range with my gear (tank gear, and horrible at that).

In crap gear, my BBs were averaging (not counting crits) about 375 range. Some went as low as 363, some as high as 407.

With one disease, they were doing 690 to 760, with a 710-730 being the average.

With two diseases, they were doing the same. Though, it SEEMED like I was critting way more. I don't know if that is chance or not, because I didn't record crits, so I can't compare the frequency. All I know is that nearly every use got 1-3 crits (and 3 wasn't THAT uncommon), with 16% crit.

I'd say it is probably best to spread diseases.

Edited, Apr 25th 2009 10:52pm by idiggory

Well at least it means that blood spec does get pretty decent AoE damage.

With DRM you can get all your F and U runes turned into DRs with 2 casts of DS. So you're basicly in a spam sequence of 2 DS and 8 BBs. I guess this kind of rotation would have to be used if you're trying to AoE something like mobs that die on a single BB but keep spawning.

By diseasing you'd go IT-PS-Pest then BB and DS. And then sequences of 3xBB-Pest-DS (without epidemic). The bonus of diseases on BB is large enough so yeh.

Edit: corrected, thx.

Edited, Apr 27th 2009 8:46pm by xorq

It's not AoE at all until there's a target in range. Until then, it's a 0 cooldown spam of a button that gives a "You have no target" or equivalent error, with no cost or down time.

If a mage or priest is spamming their Nova to bring out a rogue, they spend mana and have a 1-1.5 second window between casts. And it's completely visible. If a DK spams his BB button for the same reason, he spends nothing at all, with no open window, and the rogue doesn't even know he's doing it.

This BB buff has me wanting to try Unholy now for the AOE. Last night I was trying to get through a big pack of bad guys in hellfire. I'm level 63 (crazy I went from 58-63 without touching an instance or leaving Hellfire, but that is for another topic). Anyway, I aggro 6 level 61's and they knock me off my horse. I recall reading this thread, so I IT, PS, Pest, and start BB spam with a death strike here and there to give me health and get death runes (I'm blood btw). less than a minute later I have 5000xp from dead mobs:) Mount up and start rounding them up and repeat again and again.

So, now I've got this AOE bug in my bones and I've always heard unholy is the AOE king, but I assume they lack in healing. Anyway, chalk me up as another who loves the BB buff.

Edited, Apr 28th 2009 11:30am by zebug