End game with rogue? Follow

Nope, DPS is DPS in my view,... if you can stay out of the fire and put out good DPS there will be a place in the raid for you...
Our guild has 3 rogues, and the 2 of the rogues are at the top of the DPS charts...one being 1st more
times than not...
I am in the middle of the pack, but have never been asked to leave for a ranged DPS.... some fights
are harder for rogues than ranged DPS, but if it was easy, everyone would roll a rogue... I would rather
play a class I love than the soup of the day....


Torlagi BE Rogue 80 Runetotem

"when the eagles are silent, the parrots will jabber"

Blizzard was supposed to fix the issue of hybrid classes out dpsing dps classes with 3.1. I didn't raid last night, so I have no idea if that actually happened or not.

Rogues, if played right, should always be close to the top of the meters on MOST boss fights. Granted, that is considering the raids gear levels are close to equal. When I first started raiding on my rogue I was around 8th on boss fights, but I started a few months into the expansion, so I was a little behind in the gear section.

I have a whole bunch of characters at high levels, and rogues are my favorite class. If you enjoy your rogue, stick with him.

Edited, Apr 15th 2009 12:24pm by Feyras

The value of rogues in PvE endgame has been on my mind for awhile now. My main is a rogue, and there's a very good reason this is the only class I've managed to level to 80 (or even 60 for that matter) - in my opinion, it is a lot of fun to play. But I do think rogues are at a serious disadvantage in finding groups these days. What exactly do we bring to a raid or 5 man? First of all, we are a melee class, and several fights in WotLK are much easier with as few melee as possible (KT and Emalon - the new Vault boss - come to mind). We bring absolutely no raid buffs. Our CC is no longer needed, and even if CC does make a comeback, several other classes can perform this role at least as well if not better. The days of locked chests in instances requiring a rogue to open seem to have gone the way of Crystal Pepsi (my apologies to the young'uns who have no idea what Crystal Pepsi is).

So what exactly do we bring? Well, the answer of course is damage, and rogues (excluding button-mashers that don't know what "rotation" means) certainly do a lot of damage. On single-target boss encounters, I can often out-dps other classes that are better geared than me, and if I ever get my lazy butt in Nax often enough to finish gearing up for Ulduar, I could easily come in first or second on any boss not named Grobbulus (prior to Ulduar-geared competition, that is). But our damage really isn't THAT much higher than just about any other damage-dealing class. To make up for all the shortcomings of a rogue mentioned above, I really do feel that the damage differential would have to be much higher than it actually is.

Despite all of this, I still play my main because of how much I enjoy rogue playstyle. But prepare to be passed over on that last dps spot for a ranged or somebody that brings sexy raid buffs quite often, unless you find a good guild that routinely has a spot for you.

Edited, Apr 15th 2009 12:18pm by ChastiteeSH

I completely agree with you Chastitee, however when it comes to that last dps spot, I know I will be taken over other people. Only for the fact that, not only do I know how to play my class well, I know how to play the game well. You can have 20k dps, but not be able to live through the Heigan dance, etc.., then your 20k dps is useless.

As a former raid leader in an old BC guild of mine, I always look at a persons survivability/skill over their dps. We had a rogue that probaly did the most dps, if he could stay alive, but he was too worried about the meters to pull his head out of his **** and not die in cave-ins on Gruul. So, therefore, I would kill him in damage/dps on my mage during fights.

I know my guild fills the classes they need via recruitment, and then they use all of the classes pretty equally if they're online.

Edit: Fixed a mistake, and damn you Theo. I type too slow, however the color of my name change? Weird.

Edited, Apr 15th 2009 1:46pm by Feyras

You're trying to PUG 10 man Emalon. You, as a rogue, put yourself into LFG. A raid group with 9 people needing one more dps comes along. They have three melee and one ranged. They search LFM and find you and a hunter, and a quick armory search shows you are both equally geared. Any group that picks the rogue over the hunter is stupid considering how much of an advantage ranged dps has on that fight. So no, Theo, you don't only get passed over for other players if they are better than you.

I'm not saying rogues fail and should be abandoned. I enjoy playing my rogue quite a bit and will probably never stop playing it as long as WoW exists. But I do feel that rogues are at a disadvantage right now in finding groups, unless they have proved their competence to their guild and have a guaranteed spot on guild runs. I was just trying to warn the OP that, without such a guild, PUGs will often only take the rogue as a last resort.

You do if your guild and you yourself have a reputation on your server.

Most of the people in endgame know me on Draka, thus I can get invites to most stuff pretty easily.

It's all about networking, just like RL. If you fail at it, you're probably not gonna get anywhere.

Nah not really, I still love my rogue. When I get to 80 if I get in a raid great if I dont I'll just go farm. In the end I guess it really doesnt matter because I just play when I have the time and not hardcore. I've never been in a raiding guild before so I figure I will be ok. Thanks for everyone's input, it helps pass the time at least.

I certainly didn't mean to scare you off from playing your rogue. They are a lot of fun to play, and a great character to have at max level if you ever want to fool around with PVP for awhile. I was just stating some of the thoughts I've been having about my own rogue lately. I'm not in a top-of-the-server guild and I have no interest in being in one, I see quite a lot of the content with the guild that I do have. It's just that on the occasions that I do PUG, since neither me nor my guild are very well known, it's not easy convincing people I actually would be worth taking. Just something to keep in mind. If you have a good guild, a huge list of friends, or are known as a God on your server like some people apparently are (or think they are), you'll be fine. Even if you don't, you'll see content as long as you don't suck, it will just be somewhat harder to convince groups that you actually bring something worthwhile.

My favorite is when you pug with someone in some random obscure latin named guild and you just roll them with deeps or healing and the first thing you get asked when you're done is this...

"WANTZ TEH JOINZZORZ HOUR GUILDZ!!!111!!!!1???"

It never gets old.