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#1 Apr 14 2009 at 10:05 AM Rating: Good
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So has anyone found definitive info on the specs, Dmg-wise. I was/am Mutilate and want to stay that way if possible but if combat is more dps, I guess i would have to switch.

Here Is my Armory: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Dark+Iron&n=Dracian

I know im stacking alot of Agi (spreadsheet at the time said ap gems would be a very small increase) and im not running that great of armor. I took a break from WoW about 2 months ago. Mainly becuase i was tired of PuG Naxxes and not being able to finish em -.-

I liked Mutilates twitch aspect, and usually did very well with DPS charts (Ussually in the top 3-4)

Ps: Anyone else find it funny i have a EoE10 clear but not a Naxx clear?
#2 Apr 14 2009 at 10:18 AM Rating: Good
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As you said if you gemmed for AP the increase would be a little more. I was unsure of this theory, so I regemmed and had an increase of right below a 100dps.

You should try to pick at least one of Librarian Paper Cutter. The MAEP is higher on the LPC's than the two you have atm, but someone posted that the spreadsheet shows an increase of dps with a Titansteel shanker in one hand(your main hand IIRC)and an LPC in the other.

Right now HaT is doing the most dps in T8 content, with the right group make up, followed closesly by Mutilate.

As for your EoE10 vs. Naxx 10, it isn't that uncommon. Naxx 10 take a lot more time than EoE does, and EoE isn't that hard after you learn the different phases.

Good Luck and welcome back.
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#3 Apr 14 2009 at 10:25 AM Rating: Good
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You should try to pick at least one of Librarian Paper Cutter. The MAEP is higher on the LPC's than the two you have atm, but someone posted that the spreadsheet shows an increase of dps with a Titansteel shanker in one hand(your main hand IIRC)and an LPC in the other.


Even with the 3.1 PPM set up? I did have/might still have a LBC laying around, but I was under the assumption 3.1 PPM change fixed rogue itemization problems we had. maybe I was wrong. I read EJ but it gets tiring with their forum set up, digging through 44 pages of a thread when stuff in the beginning doesn't even pertain to the game anymore or was changed.
#4 Apr 14 2009 at 10:30 AM Rating: Good
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Ah, good point. I haven't seen any major changes from my regular websites regarding MAEP rating, yet. I will try to read through some more information to help you out. I will get back to you, unless someone beats me to it.

Edit: I do know that Mutilate and HaT are doing the most dps atm, though.

Edited, Apr 14th 2009 2:30pm by Feyras
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#5 Apr 14 2009 at 11:40 AM Rating: Decent
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Mutilate and HAT spec are doing top DPS charts as of right now, so your assassination spec will still be good. But brings the question, what glyph do us assassination rogues use? Since Glyph of Envenom was removed, I was thinking Glyph of Mutilate for the -5 energy, with overkill talent it will be 47 energy used? Maybe? With 100 Energy you can get two mutilates used after breaking stealth. Glyph of Hunger For Blood as well, I am not 100% sure on these maybe someone can correct me. But the three glyphs that will be used is Glyph of Mutilate, Glyph of Hunger For Blood, Glyph of Rupture? or SnD?
#6 Apr 14 2009 at 1:14 PM Rating: Good
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Ok, Bean after looking around for an hour, or so, I haven't found anything on the PPM changes to poison. However, I just got home and started downloading the new patch. I did notice, under the patch notes, that they changed IP to be applied based off of weapon speed. Thus, making faster daggers still best for mutilate.

As for glyphs, I'm looking at glyph of Mutilate/HfB, and possibly TtT. I might take rupture or SnD after plugging in some numbers, but if you and another rogue have Glyph of Trick of the Trade, that could turn out to be a great profit.
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#7 Apr 14 2009 at 1:22 PM Rating: Decent
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I have been looking at the HAT spec page on elitist jerk's and I cannot for the life of me find a concise rotation/glyph/spec response that is 3.1 updated.

If anyone here knows of such a thing could you let me know.
#8 Apr 14 2009 at 2:05 PM Rating: Decent
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Never been HAT myself, but just from reading up on it, I'd imagine little will change if your group comp is setup correctly. Not really using many combo moves to generate combo points, and only really focusing on keeping SnD/Rupture up with Evis spam in between. SnD/Rupture/Evis would be the top glyphs by far IMO. Not really anything else to use. As far as a rotation, not really such a thing. Just prioritize like Mut had to before with their three things to keep up and keep SnD and Rupture up 100% of the time with Evis spam when you can. Outside of getting jibbed on group crits, the combo points shouldn't stop flowing.

With the poison changes, I'm not 100% certain as to what speed weapons to use or the poisons, but I'd imagine WP/DP with just about whatever your highest DPS weapons are. Speed shouldn't matter since nothing you use will be based off of the damage nor the application rate of the poisons since they're normalized.
#9 Apr 14 2009 at 4:26 PM Rating: Good
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#10 Apr 14 2009 at 5:49 PM Rating: Default
If you want to run Mutilate in 3.1:

Go for 51/13/7 spec: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#f0ef0exoVboIuVo0xV0hZxb
Glyphs are: Mutilate, Rupture and Hunger for Blood.
Can swap a point in CQC for Imp. SnD if you find it hard to keep up.

Instant Poison MH, Deadly OH

There was a spec going around using 51/18/2 however requires very tight rotations, which is:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#f0ef0exoVboIuVo0xV0xcZ0b

I think I am going to be running HaT and Mutilate for my dual spec, mainly because I have no decent combat weapons and also the gearing/gemming for HaT/MuT is pretty much the same.
#11 Apr 14 2009 at 7:29 PM Rating: Default
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Main hand speed should be as slow as possible.
Even though poisons are on PPM, slower weapons have a higher % chance per hit.
Specials proc poisons at the same rate.
Ergo, higher proc rate of poisons off of instant attacks/finishers > lower proc rate of the same.

So Sinister Revenge/Webbed Death would be best pre-3.1 weapons for the spec.
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