As of late I've been having trouble holding group aggro off DK tanks. No matter what I do they just pull ahead far faster then I do. Single targets are not problem but I'm stumped on what to do when there are groups of mobs to hold. Any ideas would be great. IDK how to link my Armory but the toon is "Smobo" on Exodar. Do I need more hit or expertise rating more AP or what? As far as rotation for opening I Bloodrage, SS, CB, TC, SW and then start handing out Devastates and Cleaves to adds. Am I doing it wrong, is my gear lacking? Any info or ideas would be great.
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Stop grouping with stupid DKs.
Or just work with it. DKs have slightly better AE threat than we do, it's not something to be angry over. The other MT with me in our runs is a DK, and he and I cooperate on pulls. He and I will both charge in and generate as much AE threat as we can. If I end up holding the threat for that pull, he'll move ahead and pull the next pack when we're almost done with the one I'm tanking. If he gets threat, I do the same thing. Or spend the time tabbing through targets, ready to hit a stray mob with a taunt if one happens to get pulled loose. As long as there is an understanding between the tanks, and more importantly the healers, it doesn't really matter which tank has threat on trash so long as it IS a tank.
Edited, Apr 14th 2009 3:30pm by FletusSanguine
Edited, Apr 14th 2009 3:30pm by FletusSanguine
A DK cant get 'faster' threat from a warrior since the warrior charges meaning that he is faster closer to the group while the DK can only use his grip one one mob.
So charge , TC , Shield block , Slam=skull and you ll be rage ok (with 5/5 shield specialization ,15/5/51)
So charge ,Shockwave , you might rage starve or end with less rage than 1st rotation ,but the mobs will be on you
If the DK is first on the mobs and y need to controll only 1 mob : charge and slam that mob , if you need more slam power find a way to use shield block and then slam on that mob.
If the DK is first on the mobs and y need to controll all his adds/ or some of his adds definitelly use shockwave after a charge.
If you are raid leading kick him ..lol
So charge , TC , Shield block , Slam=skull and you ll be rage ok (with 5/5 shield specialization ,15/5/51)
So charge ,Shockwave , you might rage starve or end with less rage than 1st rotation ,but the mobs will be on you
If the DK is first on the mobs and y need to controll only 1 mob : charge and slam that mob , if you need more slam power find a way to use shield block and then slam on that mob.
If the DK is first on the mobs and y need to controll all his adds/ or some of his adds definitelly use shockwave after a charge.
If you are raid leading kick him ..lol
geotank wrote:
A DK cant get 'faster' threat from a warrior since the warrior charges meaning that he is faster closer to the group while the DK can only use his grip one one mob.
Death and Decay has a 30 yard range, which means they can fire off an AoE threat move with you are still charging in.
It's all about coordinating between your different tanks, and not fighting over pulls.
Scholar
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What i do is mark my mobs..skull is first. Everyone waits at least a sec or two before engaging. I bloodrage use either heroic throw or shoot X that way i have threat on mob #2. As mobs come in shockwave and TC,SS skull,and even demo shout. Devastate, revenge as it comes up. Keep TC up whenever you can and SS whenever you can. When mob is 3/4 down switch to next target,as you will already have built up threat on prevous target.Doing things like that i never have probs with threat from DK's or anyone. But make sure everyone is hitting the right targets.Good luck
Scholar
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I forgot one more, I use cleave and since im glyphed for cleave i hit 3 additional mobs.So throw ina cleave also.
Er..right the DK's have D&D..but still a warrior can intercept the incoming mobs on the DK and 'steal' them. So we still win :P
...ofcourse dont do that...
You can do something else :GEARING/Correct Talent taking
Talents:
Improved disciplens 2/2 .... (Set is to Zero asap)
Incite 0/3 ..... (Set it to 3/3 asap)
Focused rage 0/3 ... ( put 1/3 or 2/3 or 3/3)
Do the above by keeping 15/5/51
Gear:
Gaunlents of the disobidient:.. The valorous drop at high rate and have expertise
Enchant on Gaunlet of the disobedient ...Put Expertissse
Ring/ Deflection band... the poorest choise you can make in analogy to the Naxxes you have been in. If you dont have any better to put with more defence rating buy the tank ring form OS 10 man ( + expertise) because it has really low defence rating... and that consumes presious gems/enchants
What y miss is Expertise/hit rating...at the moment you got 0% chances of winning threat if both you and a noob tank with correct talents enter a fight ..plain and simple
...ofcourse dont do that...
You can do something else :GEARING/Correct Talent taking
Talents:
Improved disciplens 2/2 .... (Set is to Zero asap)
Incite 0/3 ..... (Set it to 3/3 asap)
Focused rage 0/3 ... ( put 1/3 or 2/3 or 3/3)
Do the above by keeping 15/5/51
Gear:
Gaunlents of the disobidient:.. The valorous drop at high rate and have expertise
Enchant on Gaunlet of the disobedient ...Put Expertissse
Ring/ Deflection band... the poorest choise you can make in analogy to the Naxxes you have been in. If you dont have any better to put with more defence rating buy the tank ring form OS 10 man ( + expertise) because it has really low defence rating... and that consumes presious gems/enchants
What y miss is Expertise/hit rating...at the moment you got 0% chances of winning threat if both you and a noob tank with correct talents enter a fight ..plain and simple
Glyph of shield wall / Glyph of bloodrage / Vigilence talent
I dont use them and dont feel the need to use them in hc naxx either when main tanking or offtanking.
They are not considered as must have talents and their use is debatable.
So why not taking as major glyph the one with HS (bonus rage when it crits)?
Vigilence is for early tanks in my opinion ,you dont need that and I dont believe that the other tanks in your guild needs it or your healers...your guild is strong enough to live without it.
Glyph of bloodrage...while tanking?? why?? Well its certainly a must have the way your expertise/talents are... if you controll threat y dont need that , put something else when your threat efficient.
I dont use them and dont feel the need to use them in hc naxx either when main tanking or offtanking.
They are not considered as must have talents and their use is debatable.
So why not taking as major glyph the one with HS (bonus rage when it crits)?
Vigilence is for early tanks in my opinion ,you dont need that and I dont believe that the other tanks in your guild needs it or your healers...your guild is strong enough to live without it.
Glyph of bloodrage...while tanking?? why?? Well its certainly a must have the way your expertise/talents are... if you controll threat y dont need that , put something else when your threat efficient.
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