Trouble Running Heroics. Follow

I wonder whether I am the one who is doing this wrong or is the grp. HOS, HOL are very difficult instances. I can't seem to keep everyone alive. Always some one except for the tank has to die. PoM, CoH, PoH, Renew, greater heals, Flash Heals, dispelling are mostly the spells I used and yet I can;t keep the whole grp alive. I do notice some things are wrongs. Here is my observation from my recent runs.

1. They just wanna rush the whole instance.
2. The tank never never look at the healers mana pool when he is pulling the next grp. I have mentioned to them to watch over the casters mana pool before the next pull and they keep saying I am watching.
3. No marking or CC used. Wonder why but during the BC times, we work by marking em and it was much simpler to deal wif.
4. They tend to let the stray run and it aggros the other grp while I am healing and the other grp comes to me. So I use shield and fade. Yet sometimes it comes right back at me and I am forced to use fear.

I have no trouble running H UK, H VH, H OK but this HOS and HOL is a real pain. Even in H UK, the tank was tanking the dragon which was facing us. When the dragon breathes flames the whole grp gets hit and I have to spam prayer of healing and circle and pom.

In HoS, there was a mage in my grp and we were at the last boss. Told him to use the spell steal as this shield does about 4000 nature damage but yea I still see the shield up. So I took upon myself to dispel this.

Do you think they are excepting the unrealistic from the priest. Sorry guys but this is my 1st time doing heals and can be very frustating. Its like the whole burden is on the priest. Some of them don;t seem to contribute on their part and thats what makes me get annoyed about it. I like doing heals and its fun but dying for no reasons like the ones I mentioned is really annoying. I have hust took a 2 day break from running my priest and rolled a sharman for levelling. I just wanted to relax for awhile before running back in again.

So am I doing something wrong here. When I had greens and alittle blues here and there I was able to heal and keep the whole grp alive without any trouble. But now its really an issue for me. I am in the midst of running heroics to get my gears.

I have linked once again my armory. Is this toon ready for heroics and 10 man naxx?
Also is there an instance guide where I can learn more about the instance.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Saurfang&n=Starpriest

Once again thank you for your valuable feedback. Much appreciated.

Cheers

I ran H DK today as a Holy priest like you, and had people die.

I have almost 2300 SP self buffed, 7% haste and 16% crit and still can not keep everyone alive all the time. Their are going to be times that people will die no matter how good a healer you are.

DPS today do not care about how much aggro they get because they expect you, as the healer to keep them alive. For them it is all about the DPS meters.

I still die in instances because of healing aggro because a lot of tanks out there just plain sux.

The parties gear and knowledge of the instance make a huge difference. Pugs are pugs, some will be so easy and others will be impossible.

You are also at that difficult window, gear wise, where you need the drops from the heroics, but the groups just want to be carried. It sounds like you are doing quite well in light of that, but if you are getting frustrated, I'd take a step back.

UK, VH, and Nexxus are the easiest for a holy priest. That's 10 badges a day, maybe more if one of them is the daily. Run those first, and maybe toss in a DTK or UP if you still have time. Get your badge gear, and things will be much easier. Try to get into Nax ASAP as well.

I have 2470sp self-buffed, Undying etc etc, and have still never completed H HoL (not that I've tried in a long time). PUGs suck.

hint: dont be afraid to use PW:S. in HoL this spell is godly. shield yourself and a melee pre-fight and all will be well.

Pugs in general suck I've found. I run with a good group of people pretty steady, though I'm not held to a guild. We don't mark things anymore, but have been running together for over 4 months now. Still, HOL and HOS are (IMO) the harder instances to heal. I run 8 Man Naxx without the difficulties I run into in HOL and HOS. Funny you should mention marking. Was running ZF on my Lock with a RL buddie who was on his pally tank. After the 4th pull I started marking the instance, and gave directions on focus fire (we actually had someone who had never run it before in the group!). We went from zero to hero. I like pugs that mark. But back to pug healing.

My healing rules of hard knox.
You and the tank shall live. If the dps isn't/can't watch their agro, it's their problem. If they die, they are the first to die! If you are going to wipe, you and the tank are the last to die. If we can get to the dps, great... otherwise it's their fault they can't get Omen3 or some other threat meter to reduce their damage taken to aoe and what not.
And if they quit? Meh, dps are a dime a dozen. Ever have a long wait for a dps? Not like finding a tank or healer I'm sure!

I have a Shaman, and he pulls agro quite often. I have to have a threat meter, because I don't want to be the reason for a wipe and I don't think the healer should have to do more than a Shield and Renew once and a while.

I also have a pally tank! Woot! Since I've started playing WoW I've always wanted to get a pug whenever I wanted. Everyone is always looking for a tank or a healer, so my first toon was a tank. A good RL friend taught me to tank and the very first thing he instilled in me was to check your casters mana (espically your healers as he is the one to keep you alive). Waiting 30 sec for a drink is less time consuming than wiping and running back, rebuffing ect ect ect. I personally consider it Tanking 101. As a tank, you are the "leader" in the group. A good time to show off your group skills. When you do find a good tank, add him. They are hard to find now and days.

As for 10 man? Yes, you are just below the recomended marks (1500sp/800mp5). You should be fine. Go and get that T7 gear!
And don't let the pugs get you down. You could be my wingman any time!

I do agree that its my job to keep all alive. If not dun roll a priest, just roll a lock and dps the hell to your hearts content.

Everyone has a part to play. You tell me, 2 dino adds on me and they still dpsing the boss. My evasive spells like fade, fear were on CDs, so what u expect me to do then. I even thow up binding heals and tell them i have adds and they dun even care about it. In this run the mage was around, could have used frost nova. DK could have used dark command and bring the mob to him.

Look everyone who comes to the instance should know what to expect and also teamwork is important. Just like its the job of the tank to keep the mobs to him and the dpsers to bring them down, so is the priest job to keep them alive. Its also important to them that they need to assist the priest as well.

We have vast arrays of spells but likewise so does the dpsers and the tank. My main proity is keeping the tank alive and using big heals on him, Tank goes down, dspers dies, Dspers also needs healing. In short everyone needs heals and to make sure that heals comes, keep the healer alive.

Thats what I am asking. Thats not too much to ask from a healer rite.

It's also their job to get out of the way of easily avoidable AOE instead of expecting to be healed through it. And to listen and do what they need to do to keep from dying. I've sworn off Nexus PUGs. Apparently me being unable to heal everyone through the damage the end bosses stacking debuff does makes me a crap healer. Whatever. I do my best to keep everyone alive but I'm not a miracle worker.

A lot of people do expect too much of us healers. I think people also expect too much of plate wearers though. I've lost count of the number of times I've found out our "tank" is actually a DPS spec who has never tanked before and who's had no choice but to tank or leave and find another group.


I don't find that too much of a problem at the moment, I need lots of mana breaks but can keep them alive without too much difficulty. It's when the tank can't hold aggro and the DPS are squishies I have real problems and have to decide who lives and who dies.