Pretty much since I have started raiding I have been using my Imp as my go to pet. Some bosses I'll toss out a Doomguard if the cooldown is up or toss out an Infernal if my normal pet were to die.
I have been testing DPS on the heroic training dummy and the Imp seems to average around 187 dps. That is with 2/2 points in Demonic Power and 1 point in Improved Imp. The felhound is just crap DPS, quite obvious it's isn't meant for that. However I brought out my Succubus its average DPS is around 224.
I though the Imp was supposed to be the go to pet for affliction? Granted the DPS increase is only ~40 with the Succy but you would lose Blood Pact (1330+ HP). Would the Succy be situational? Or should the Imp always be the go to pet due to Blood Pact?
Any thoughts on pets from anyone else?
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The Succy is a good choice for DPS. The Imp buff is overwritten by warrior shouts anyway. The Imp does have better survivability though seeing as it's at range.
I think for affliction you want to use Doomguard whenever you can, and then Succubus when DG is on CD. Although I'm sure that someone knows better than me and probably knows which bosses you'll want to save DG for as opposed to just summoning him whenever possible.
But I was like you. I thought Imp was the way to go but I must have read wrong somewhere. Now I know better.
But I was like you. I thought Imp was the way to go but I must have read wrong somewhere. Now I know better.
Doomguard and Infernal are still top choices, though i am not to sure about Doomguard with recent changes. The Imp is still what I commonly see Aff locks using though my tests have shown Succy to be better, I havn't actually tested in a raid environment, so there may be some survivability issues I am not aware of. Although, Ulduar is supposed to actually require some CC, so Seduce may come into play. I also still stand by what I have always said, Succy CC is one of the nest on the game if you use it right, which very few locks do.
I always thought it was the imp because of dark pact.
I don't know if the Imp can get replenishment too, that would be good to know.
I don't know if the Imp can get replenishment too, that would be good to know.
xorq wrote:
I always thought it was the imp because of dark pact.
I don't know if the Imp can get replenishment too, that would be good to know.
I don't know if the Imp can get replenishment too, that would be good to know.
Problem is you really don't use darkpact that much anymore. Lifetap is a better use of the GCD.
Correct me if I'm wrong(leveling another lock so havn't done the 80 thing lately) but this is what my understanding is.
Infernal has by far the best dps, I believe it was around 1,000 for the minute it's out.
Doomguard is the next best and should be used if he can be.
Succubus is the next best but only if you have points in demonic power to reduce her cooldown on Lash of Pain.
If you don't have the talents I believe all 3 of them are so close in damage that it doesn't really matter what pet you pick. If your raid is melee heavy than use the felhunter or succubus for those buffs, if you have alot of casters use the imp. If the fight has alot of void zones choose a pet that will survive it with minimal effort and will be able to keep casting through the entire fight.
While the imp is better for Dark Pact the cookie-cutter affliction build doesn't include dark pact any more because you get more mana back with a life-tap/haunt rotation.
Infernal has by far the best dps, I believe it was around 1,000 for the minute it's out.
Doomguard is the next best and should be used if he can be.
Succubus is the next best but only if you have points in demonic power to reduce her cooldown on Lash of Pain.
If you don't have the talents I believe all 3 of them are so close in damage that it doesn't really matter what pet you pick. If your raid is melee heavy than use the felhunter or succubus for those buffs, if you have alot of casters use the imp. If the fight has alot of void zones choose a pet that will survive it with minimal effort and will be able to keep casting through the entire fight.
While the imp is better for Dark Pact the cookie-cutter affliction build doesn't include dark pact any more because you get more mana back with a life-tap/haunt rotation.
ccbutch wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong(leveling another lock so havn't done the 80 thing lately) but this is what my understanding is.
Infernal has by far the best dps, I believe it was around 1,000 for the minute it's out.
Doomguard is the next best and should be used if he can be.
Succubus is the next best but only if you have points in demonic power to reduce her cooldown on Lash of Pain.
If you don't have the talents I believe all 3 of them are so close in damage that it doesn't really matter what pet you pick. If your raid is melee heavy than use the felhunter or succubus for those buffs, if you have alot of casters use the imp. If the fight has alot of void zones choose a pet that will survive it with minimal effort and will be able to keep casting through the entire fight.
While the imp is better for Dark Pact the cookie-cutter affliction build doesn't include dark pact any more because you get more mana back with a life-tap/haunt rotation.
Infernal has by far the best dps, I believe it was around 1,000 for the minute it's out.
Doomguard is the next best and should be used if he can be.
Succubus is the next best but only if you have points in demonic power to reduce her cooldown on Lash of Pain.
If you don't have the talents I believe all 3 of them are so close in damage that it doesn't really matter what pet you pick. If your raid is melee heavy than use the felhunter or succubus for those buffs, if you have alot of casters use the imp. If the fight has alot of void zones choose a pet that will survive it with minimal effort and will be able to keep casting through the entire fight.
While the imp is better for Dark Pact the cookie-cutter affliction build doesn't include dark pact any more because you get more mana back with a life-tap/haunt rotation.
I haven't gotten to level 80 yet, but I know at least the buff part you got it wrong.
Imp gives the HP buff, does fire damage is a good source of dark pact mana. This is the pet that you can pasv and phaseshift so that it doesn't die.
Felhunter is good for buffing casters (int+spi) and also because it does a dispel and a counterspell. Is also an acceptable source of dark pact mana, but has less mp regen than the imp.
Void is good for offtanking and also for demonic sacrifice.
Succ is for melee damage and for CC.
As for darkpact, it's very good for solo/pvp because it allows you to regain mana without losing HP for it, specially at lower levels when you still can't reach haunt. However you have to be careful with your use of dark pact, you have to be mindful not to run your felhunter out of mana if you intend to use it to counterspell and dispel, or your void if you're using it to tank, or your succ if you intend to use her for CC.
Edited, May 16th 2009 10:13pm by xorq
succy is the best DPS pet for affliction. check out my sig link 'taoquitok' and look at my affliction spec/glyphs. that's pretty much what you want to go with and use a succy as pet. when raid buffed due to how AP scales she comes out top for affliction (after doomguard, but i choose to not rely on that)
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I haven't gotten to level 80 yet, but I know at least the buff part you got it wrong.
Imp gives the HP buff, does fire damage is a good source of dark pact mana. This is the pet that you can pasv and phaseshift so that it doesn't die.
Felhunter is good for buffing casters (int+spi) and also because it does a dispel and a counterspell. Is also an acceptable source of dark pact mana, but has less mp regen than the imp.
Void is good for offtanking and also for demonic sacrifice.
Succ is for melee damage and for CC.
Imp gives the HP buff, does fire damage is a good source of dark pact mana. This is the pet that you can pasv and phaseshift so that it doesn't die.
Felhunter is good for buffing casters (int+spi) and also because it does a dispel and a counterspell. Is also an acceptable source of dark pact mana, but has less mp regen than the imp.
Void is good for offtanking and also for demonic sacrifice.
Succ is for melee damage and for CC.
I was talking about the raid buffs they get to increase their damage, not the buffs they give. When soloing or in dungeons your pet can vary depending on your group make-up cause the buffs your demons give can be important, but in a raid environment you'll almost always have better buffs so the choice comes down to which pet does the most damage.
Dark Pact is an excellent talent for leveling but isn't used in raids due to haunt/lifetap and the fact that the affliction tree is so bloated it's hard to spare any points for it.
On another note, I could have sworn I saw you talking about putting points into fel concentration Jenova, or at least thinking about it. Does the demonic power talent boost the succubus enough to over compensate for spell interrupts on the heavy aoe fights? I know on most fights it's better, thus the talent points spent, just wondering about certain fights.
my affliction spec does have it.. and personally i don't think the talent makes up for the lack of spell interupt reduction. whenever i next respec i'll adjust my affliction spec to have them 2 talents again.. i hate living without them... though even with those talents 0/41/30 still does more damage overall... not sure after the decimation nerf.. but i doubt it'd make that much of a difference
ccbutch wrote:
I was talking about the raid buffs they get to increase their damage, not the buffs they give. When soloing or in dungeons your pet can vary depending on your group make-up cause the buffs your demons give can be important, but in a raid environment you'll almost always have better buffs so the choice comes down to which pet does the most damage.
Ah, oki, well at least what I said wasn't too far. I did say Imp is fire damage and Suc is melee damage, you choose which damage is more useful when, as there may be reasons other than the buffs to favor one or the other.
The reason I mentioned Dark Pact was because we were talking about pets for affliction and I thought it would be a little incomplete if I did not mention it. It's pretty nice for leveling and I'm leveling. :D
As for my spec, man, I'm leveling! And I use one of those Imp-fear + CoEx specs. :D
xorq wrote:
The reason I mentioned Dark Pact was because we were talking about pets for affliction and I thought it would be a little incomplete if I did not mention it. It's pretty nice for leveling and I'm leveling. :D
As for my spec, man, I'm leveling! And I use one of those Imp-fear + CoEx specs. :D
Yea Dark Pact is great while leveling. It can make it so you have almost 0 down time at all. That said, when you hit 80 and decide you want to raid.....place the point somewhere else.
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