healer trying to understand...Follow

So after what was by far my worst night of heroics EVER, I am trying to understand. First me, I play a resto Druid 1880 heals, been through some 10&25 man vault, os, some 10 naxx and between my Druid and dk I have been though all of the heroics.

Last night I got into a H VH pug, a hunter in the group pulling about 580 dps - never saw him break 600 but we got through it. Then a mess in H HOL, and finally on to the daily H AN. With two hunters... As I am flying I joke about my h vh experience and they tell me they do more dps. We get in and I don't know who to blame but adds are constantly getting on me and fights take a while. So I start watching dps, the hunters are doing like 800 & 1000-1100 dps. Fail on main boss and we walk away after a few wipes because I have heal me a lot since they aren't actively picking up adds and 1 of them keeps getting shot into the air - fight go forever I go OOM after pot and inneverate and they get picked off 1 by 1.

I have never played a hunter, I don't generally run with too many hunters or when I have they never stuck out like these did. I have a guildy that has a hunter and he says he is at around 3k dps, we can't run because we are on different times.

So what is decent dps for a hunter ( like non naxxed not in tons of epics, though the last 2 had some epics)? The first hvh hunter was a fresh 80, but I would think the dps would be better even in greens and blues. I could pull 600 dps with my resto Druid. Am I wrong to be irritated by these dps numbers?'

They must have really been trying to do that poorly. 0.o

All I can think of is that they must still have been in level 70 gear or something, using sporebats, and specced 0/0/0.

I'm pretty sure I could autoshoot 600 dps with my crappy gear.

Its worth checking your combat parser setting. IF it is separating out their pets then those figures become a lot more understandable. Not great but better.

As a BM spec my damage splits about 60/40 with my pet. I'm sure that as a fresh 80 before getting my rep upgrades I could easily have been doing about 700 myself with 450 or so from the pet.

However since the runs were failing from low dps I guess they were just not doing any shot rotation.

I remember an hilarious argument with a hunter who didn't know what "hit" was and geared for stamina. Oh and he was also specced evenly between trees and claimed to be "all specs"

Hmm...well, she's using quite a few greens, and her spec is a bit odd, almost like she spent points and then changes her mind but didn't know how to respec and just went with it.

I'd say the gear and spec are more symptoms than the cause of the problem though, it looks like she just hasn't done a lot of research into how to play her class. Looking at rep and such, and the fact that she's got high engineering and very low mining, I would guess it's just someone's alt that they don't do much with.

Hmmm, I hadn't really looked at the hit rating, but you're right, that might be a good part of it. Leg armor's not awful, I know when I'm leveling I use whatever I can get and do just fine, and she's a really fresh 80 so leveling gear is expected.

I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this, though:



A point in Imp. Concussive Shot, no points in GFtT, Savage Strikes and no Improved Tracking, no T.N.T., full points in Hunting Party... it looks to me like she got about as far as asking "How should I spec?", was told "go SV/Marks" or possibly "0/20/51 of course", and never bothered to find out what the appropriate talents would be within that spec.

I am not that great at dps and even though i do not group much and at level 72 am still easily able while farming with my gorilla and only using the standard ammo i easily average 500-550 dps going by recount , that was mostly auto shot and playing in my very lazy style so they need a little help i would think , i would expect in a group with buffs and decent ammo and doing the correct rotations that even at 72 i could beat them in dps.

Fixed your rating, no idea who doesn't like you.

Thanks guys/girls ? as you guessed english is not my best language and i am getting rather to old to manage to learn how to do things correctly although i do try my best to learn.

I was just curious as i could not see any serious mistakes in my english as i think the best way to learn is by knowing i have made a mistake did that make sense ?.

well a little strength is ok in WotLK gear....have you seen how freaking big those guns are? They must weigh about 100 lbs so the strength will help you get it up to your shoulder quicker so you can shoot the bad guy...but I think strength cap is only about 20

With the amount of gear itemization in Wrath, it is best to stick with mail. Not saying that the occasional leather piece isn't worth using for a while. However I cant think of the last time I saw a mail piece with str on it? Come to think of it, I can't remember a leather piece with str on it...

Blizz has succesfully combined the gear needs of basically every class that can wear a gear type. All you will find on leather is STA and AGI for ferals and rogues, and some INT SPR for boomkins and trees. Mail gear follows the same trend with STA, AGI, INT for enhancements and hunters. With some int for resto/ele's. Even the secondary stats crit, hit, mp5, expertise, etc seem to follow the different gear types around. Currently I believe that mail is the only gear class that still has a useless stat for a class it is made for, Expertise. Enhancements still need it so we are forced to live with it on some pieces.

Short story, I ran a pug with my DK, the pally who was with us was wearing almost all mail gear. Had a lot of MP5 and some spell pen, crap like that. I asked why and he said becaues each piece he had on had a little bit more spell power than the plate equivialnt. His holy crit was something like 9%. Thankfully hunters CAN'T do something silly like that unless they are in cloth....

It seems like this guy just needs a kick in the right direction. Or maybe you ran with someones farming alt who was looking for a piece of gear. Who knows. 500 dps is quite low though. I hit 80 doing over 2k, I was still in some T6 and stuff though. A fresh quest reward/drop 80 hunter spec'd right with the proper pet should be able to 1500 no problem.

I think its pretty silly to say "anyone with X will get kicked from my groups". Surely its about performance in the end. Granted a completely stupid gear set will make good performance impossible but the odd item won't.

We're almost back to the old argument that unless a player is totally optimised to your idea of perfect then they're not acceptable.

I wear leather boots at the moment because they came with the rep grind that got me my chest. Sure I could grind another rep to exalted and get mail ones with it. I'd lose 9 AGI, 56AP and 66 Hit in exchange for 41 INT. I'm happy with what I have until something drops that is better. And anyone who drops me from a group because of it is being ridiculous.

My rogue occasionally has had some stupid enchants because of running out of mats while levelling enchanting. I always mean to replace the proper one but I can get just one more skillup...... Again I don't think it affects overall performance.

Gems are probably a bit more worrying given that someone had to buy them. But at the end of the day are they going to accept they did the wrong thing and learn, or argue that they need Spellpower for Arcane Shot!

My build isn't cookie cutter - not because I think I know better than cookie cutter but because I solo a lot. A pure raid spec would up my dps a bit but at the cost of soloability. I think I have a good balance that gets me reasonable dps in groups or raids (well up the scale and often top hunter). Again the purists who armory people to check their spec might reject me - their loss in my opinion.

And people wonder where the term Huntard comes from. Seriously, the first time i saw myself doing that horrid i had a WTF moment and started researching. The only people who say "Oh, wait, i do better dps" fail at everything and need to be kicked.