Deep Freeze And Speccing for PVPFollow

Is it me, or does Deep Freeze seem a bit.... pointless? A stun that can only be used when the target is already been taken care of? I seldom use it because it's so situational. I would rather just use Ice Lance when my enemy is frosted or FoF is up. Does anyone else agree that it's kinda lame? If not, how do you use it? It's kinda frustrating because I love Chilled to The Bone. That talent is amazing. But if I was to just not spec Deep Freeze, what would I do with that single point? It's almost like I'm stuck speccing it. Would Presence of Mind be a better choice come 80?

I was also curious to know what the general consensus is for Fire and Arcane specs for PVP. Just so I have something else to play with if Frost gets boring.

Thanks much.

EDIT: Also, just for fun, what would be the most defensive Frost spec even at the cost of damage? :)

Edited, Apr 4th 2009 2:45pm by LiptonSoup

Granted, I haven't played with it but from a rogue POV I'd say it's far from useless. If I get nova'd I can still hit, cloak, throw off a stun, vanish, or trinket. Once I get a Deep Freeze on me I'm forced to eat 5 seconds of increased mage DPS (which usually kills me off, thanks to the splendid new balancing) or waste my trinket.

I've got tons of ways to counter snares, I've got only one extremely precious way to counter a stun.

Lipton, your complaint about Dark's response to your question is valid, but then assuming that he's a kid and insulting him back makes you look just as bad. Not all kids are immature jerks (although by saying that my intention is not to imply that Dark is an immature jerk either).

I'm sorry, I thought that you would be able to deduct your answer to why the spell is good from my responses, seeing as how it's pretty simple. However, I'll go ahead and explain it to you as simply as I can.


You are trying to say that a snare is the same as a stun, but that's not true. A snare simply roots a target in place, but allows them to still cast, shoot, or use snare breaking abilities, of which there is a lot of in the game.

A stun is a different mechanic because not only does it not the target to move, but they also cannot cast, shoot, or use any class abilities unless that ability breaks a stun, of which there are a lot less of in the game.

So a stun, like sheep and CS vs a caster, does a much much better job of "removing" a person from the fight, that is why the spell is great, especially seeing as it's only one point.

Once again sorry if my original post was too cryptic for you, hope this clears things up.

Edited, Apr 4th 2009 7:59pm by DarkHybridX

I don't try too, but you seem to be upset because I don't agree with your opinion. I think you expect to make your post and have it fill up with people agreeing with you, but that's not going to happen.



Lots of things are situational. CS is very situational, especially if you don't have imp CS. But that doesn't mean it isn't a great spell. Furthermore, frost bases PvP revolves around being situational. It shines when the right situation presents itself to get off a shatter combo.

Say your facing a DK/Holy pally team and it's late in the match. The pally has used his bubble and the DK has used his trinket. You now have the perfect situation to nova the DK then stun him, with your ele out you can now CS the pally, ranged nova, and shatter him. If you just nova the DK and go for the kill you run the risk of him using his grip or strangulate on you. If you sheep you run the risk of the pally getting a quick cleanse off.

This is actually something that I have practiced and a strat we go for when I decide to PvP as frost (arcane gets boring). Also keep in mind that this is using the spell on a melee class. Nova still doesn't nothing against a range class.

You cannot look at the spell only from a offensive PoV, but also a defensive one. It's not another way to get off a shatter, it's a way to lock up the hunter long enough to LoS and evo, or the lock long enough to kill his pet, or the mage long enough to let your healers CS wear off and heal you.

Most spells/abilities in the game are very situational, it's knowing how and when to use them that makes them shine.

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=ocxVfzMczeGuMtedf0bZ0h

This is the arcane build that I use. It's not cookie cutter and kinda unorthodox. Since I face a lot more ret pallys, hunters, and DKs then anything else it's more built around burst and survival. I tend to stack a lot of stam gems rather then SP/crit gems.

There's another one that goes into frost for IV and then some different variations of full arcane. If you find yourself against a lot more mages, locks, and spriests then trading out the talents in fire and frost for arcane shielding and the 2 absorptions is a good idea.

It's just that because it requires a prerequisite to cast, it's not always going to be usable. Excluding Frost Nova, you have a 30% chance to use it(Frostbite 15%, FoF 15%). It just doesn't seem very dependable. Like I said, I can't use it when I need it.

Not trying to convince anyone it sucks, Just trying to get why I'm not too fond of it.

Exactly how I feel.

I'd consider myself to be more the stereotype patrol than the nice patrol, but I get your point. :-) I'm sorry I wasn't able to answer your question, but I don't PvP much, so I can't really say whether the talent is useful or not. I did put the point into it as a PvE Frost mage when I was leveling, after asking the advice of my guildies, and I don't believe I ever used it once. It is incredibly situational, which is one of the reasons why I don't like it for PvE, and I can understand why you don't like it as well. I considered respeccing to get rid of it, but it seemed like a waste of 15g for one measly point.

Well... the 51 pointer for fire (Living Bomb) is pretty darn good, but the 5 points you have to put in before it (Burnout) are absolutely necessary.

Same with arcane: Arcane Barrage at 51, Netherwind Presence and Spell Power at 45.

Oddly enough, same with frost!

As other people have been trying to say, the key is that you can have CC on two targets at once with Deep Freeze. It is *not* just rooting someone for 5 seconds, it's stunning them. You should get frequent FF procs, and have the occasional nova meaning you will often have an instant cast CC available to you! In any PvP beyond 1v1, you should learn to use it at least to disrupt your opponents, if not to quickly take down one of them.