Why did this tank get hit so hard please?Follow

His spec sucks more **** than a nickel-*****.

Thanks for the replies. I was wondering what was up because he seemed to be uncrittable and wearing all plate so I didn't know why he was getting hit so hard. (I don't tank myself so this is from a healer's perspective). Now in future I'll look at people's talents if things go wrong hehe.

I don't think so. There is something I've seen on my server a lot in trade chat: "If you want to DK tank, deep frost is the only way!". Are you going to punish this guy for actually taking the time to listen to advise? Sure, it's not wonderful advise, but the guy shouldn't be tossed off the server. He needs education instead. I suggest that trollover should not be the person to educate the tank, though. He's too narrow-minded and elitist.

With that low of HP and Avoidance, he was probably in pure DPS gear, or close to it.

This wasn't a tank. This was a DPS in Frost presence.

Edit: Wait wait wait.. 546 defense with those stats? Was he even in frost presence? I was way above 22k HP when I first hit uncrittable. And with the 5% base avoidance stats and 5.6% more for his defense, how were his actual dodge and parry so low? I have to see this armory, the numbers make no sense.

Edited, Apr 4th 2009 11:29am by Ehcks

No, I'd punish him for spending 71 points in the same tree and not even spending 5 on the only mandatory tank talent in it!

Okay, well, first of all. He is losing 3-4% avoidance simply on the fact that he is using SSG to get to uncrittable. He gems and enchants primarily for stamina instead. And the rest of his gear just isn't that good. For example, getting revered with Wyrmrest Accord is EASY by level 80. That means he has access to the Breastplate of the Solemn Council, the best tanking chest that is acquirable outside of instances.

The irony? Wyrmrest Accord has the most starting tanking items of all the factions. It is also one of the ones you can start raising the earliest. It is his lowest NR reputation beyond SoH (which, ironically, has one of the best tanking shoulder enchant). He, in particular, would get a lot out of the Greater Inscription of the Pinnacle, because of his lack of other avoidance stats.

And, beyond Defense, he has almost no gear adding to avoidance. He uses enchants and gems that just aren't up to par.

And, about his spec.

OH. MY. GOD.

Let me repeat,

OH. MY. GOD.

If I ever met him in a party... I would destroy him.

This HAS to be a joke of some sort. He has a DW talent (DW-EXCLUSIVE talent) for 2-handed tanking. I can't even touch all the things wrong with this build. He only got 40~ points right. That's 56%. He fails the test. (And, I need to take additional points off because he failed to do the most important part).

And he doesn't even HAVE professions. It is one thing to have not leveled them yet. He hasn't even TOUCHED them.

Just an AWFUL misunderstanding of everything having to do with the class. I REALLY want to know his rotation (and damn the armory for not showing glyphs)! The ONLY thing he seems to understand is Defense Skill to 540, then Stamina. He's completely oblivious to his other stats.

With the proper talents, my completely undergeared DK (I mean, COMPLETELY undergeared, I still need to get around to nabbing another 69 Defense SKILL and upgrading most of my gear with normal craftable/vendored items) has 1% less avoidance than him, without using SSG or Swordshattering. With them, I would have higher avoidance, and a small chance to be crit. (Note, my parry is 1% below his in stats, but he doesn't use Blade Barrier, so is a solid 9% lower the vast majority of the time).

Complete and utter failure.

First of all, horrible, horrible, horrible places to put talent points. It would appear as though he is incredibly uneducated about tanking and where to place talent points. He seems to be one of those lemmings that follows the crowd. As an earlier post pointed out, many people still think that a DK that tanks must put points deep in the frost tree and be 'frost spec.' That is uninformed people talking about something they know nothing of. He is missing the big three. Granted, one could go frost and get unbreakable armor and put the points elsewhere.

Second of all, his gear, some of it is just bad. My biggest gripe with a lot of people are those who feel they do not need to get rep with the factions in northrend. They are missing out on so many items that could help. This is one of those people.

Third, his stats are horrible, I at 22k health in my dps gear with a few buffs. His dodge and parry are incredibly low.

Forth, the rune he has is actually a very valid rune to use. Uncrittable vs some avoidance, the choice is very clear, uncrittable. (I do not like to use the phrase 'defense capped', as there is no cap to what a persons defense can be.) That rune is a great stop gap until a dk can get gear to allow them to achieve being uncrittable or they can use that rune and stack sta gear or other type of gear while still being uncrittable.

Basically, he is a trainwreck. Should he be 'slammed'? I say, no. He is probably very uninformed and just does not know the finer points of the class and the game in particular. Should someone set him aside and give him some advice on what to do in a meaningful way? yes.

Off topic...

But what is a "Blue Hell"?

Yeah... I'm gonna say:

1. What?
2. No.

The talents are a MUCH bigger issue than the gear. Just looking at his gear, you can see that he made some weird choices, but he COULD have tanked that instance had he talented correctly and not pulled two groups. A few wiser gear choices would have made it better, but there isn't anything radically wrong with it (it isn't like he was able to be crit and geared for Spell Power...)

By looking at his spec, you can tell he has utterly no understanding of the class. He sacrifices 15% avoidance (FIFTEEN PERCENT) and another 15% in armor. This is so utterly unacceptable (barring the chance that Arthas-level raid gear means we can get too close to the armor/dodge/parry cap without them, which is highly unlikely at least for D and P).

And what do you mean by "boost." If you mean buffing, he does with his spec. Do you mean generating enough threat so that the DpS can do more without worry? Pretty sure he should have been okay there, too. The only place he was lacking was in mitigation, which only helps the healer. That doesn't really "boost" the party, it determines whether or not they succeed.

Boosting is taking a high level through a lower level encounter in order to help lower leveled players. I don't know how you boost through a heroic because the differences aren't huge enough to even consider using that word. The poster is a moron.

I will just point out that there are (for better or worse) a lot of kids playing this game that may just be enjoying the game without knowing how to play it.

Did you actually know what you were doing in Zelda when you were 6-8 years old? I certainly didn't.