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#1 Apr 03 2009 at 11:20 AM Rating: Decent
im new to wow, just bought it last week and prepared to start my first char. i dont know how important each stat is yet as i havnt played. im going to make a warrior tank with these talents, the left overs i havnt decided on 100% deep wounds cruelty or shield spec
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/warrior/talents.html?tal=350200002000000000000000000000300000000000000000000000000023351225000012521330113321
i wanted to increase my dodge with agi, but i just dont know how important the other stats are. Iv played MMOs before and i want to be a good normal grp tank but raids are what i like most about these games. any advice on which to choose?
#2 Apr 03 2009 at 12:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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If you just started playing, and don't understand the importance of each stat, you really shouldn't even bother worrying about building level 80 specs just yet. A lot of people who read these and other forums see a tanking spec and get a misunderstanding of it's intentions. Those are usually meant for raiding, but that doesn't mean that those talents are what you should, or even have to get while leveling. A leveling tank spec can have a lot more freedom of use for talent points to accommodate solo play than a raiding spec does. So I would concentrate more on learning about what stats do and which stats are more important for which circumstances.

As far as your question, it isn't going to make you or break you either way. One is just as good as the other. Both are just as affective for raid tanking, racial abilities aren't going to be a determining factor in if you get invited to raids or not.

But if you really want my opinion on the matter, Human is the way to go, over both night elf and dwarf.

Edited, Apr 3rd 2009 4:49pm by SynnTastic
#3 Apr 03 2009 at 4:32 PM Rating: Decent
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Talents really dont matter much tanking wise until you reach Outlands. In most Classic instances you can run any instance as long as you have someone as the tank class. I tanked many instances as a paladin without even using a sheild.
#4 Apr 05 2009 at 6:07 PM Rating: Decent
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Go with any race you like best visually. Racials aren't going to make a big difference for tanking.

The biggest difference that different races mean when tanking is their visual appearance. Gnomes can get very exotic looks with their haircuts and all.

Dwarf: Short, doesn't block the view for casters and hunters.
Gnome: Shorter than dwarf.
Human: Has increased reputation gains, so makes reputation rewards a little easier to get.
Night Elf: It... has... ehm... wisp, so you get back to your instance faster after a wipe.
Draenei: Large. But larger tanks look good for the stereotype and all.

There's a few actual stat bonuses but those aren't going to break your game any day. Just so you know:
Dwarf and Human: Expertise.
Night Elf: Dodge.
Draenei: Hit.
#5 Apr 06 2009 at 3:19 AM Rating: Decent
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Racials aren't going to make a big difference for tanking.


While it's my knee jerk reaction to say NO, racials are important to tanking. I can also see your point, it's not a 'big' deal.

Taurens 5% HP buff is very nice for tanking (my favorite)
Orcs 5 expertise with axes is nice for threat while tanking
Humans 3 expertise with swords/maces tanking
Dwarves stoneform, 10% armor bonus good for tanking

That's about what I have to say about that.

If your clearing content in a guild, new content to the guild, you need to push your survivability. 5% HP goes a long way in a world where tanks have 30,000+ hp. 1500+ extra hp is a big deal imho.
#6 Apr 06 2009 at 7:32 AM Rating: Decent
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#7 Apr 06 2009 at 6:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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keep in mind that the tauren racial is now 5% of base hp, which is to say hp before any other gear or buffs or other stat increases are added.

as for dwarf vs nelf, nelf is prolly better in terms of a stronger tank. the inherenent quickness bonus of an extra 2% chance to be missed is nice, plus being able to "accidentally" shadowmeld and wipe the entire raid is always a fun time.
#8 Apr 06 2009 at 7:05 PM Rating: Decent
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devioususer wrote:
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Racials aren't going to make a big difference for tanking.


While it's my knee jerk reaction to say NO, racials are important to tanking. I can also see your point, it's not a 'big' deal.

Taurens 5% HP buff is very nice for tanking (my favorite)
Orcs 5 expertise with axes is nice for threat while tanking
Humans 3 expertise with swords/maces tanking
Dwarves stoneform, 10% armor bonus good for tanking

That's about what I have to say about that.

If your clearing content in a guild, new content to the guild, you need to push your survivability. 5% HP goes a long way in a world where tanks have 30,000+ hp. 1500+ extra hp is a big deal imho.


For PvE tanking most of those racial stats just mean gearing/gemming a little less of this and a little more of that.

5% hp probably outweighs the amount of gear/gem/enchants it covers with the racial compared to the others. Specially if you are dedicated enough to go blacksmith/jc for stat boosting. But if you can't make it without racial traits and profession bonuses, then the problem is certainly not your racial or your profession bonuses.

For PvP it may be a totally different story. I can see the advantage for a warrior of having the fury talent and the escape artist in addition to the pvp trinket. But tanks... meh.

#9 Apr 07 2009 at 5:52 AM Rating: Good
Racials are not that significant. However, to be a tank, you need to get the mindset: Night Elves have a get out of combat button. That makes them cowards. Dwarves are good, but Stoneform seems to be a bit of an emergency "Save Me! Save Me!" button, for when you can't take the pain no more. Humans are for rep grinders, with all the xp benefits. Lots of diplomacy and sucking up to the hob-nobs. You don't care, you lived your early life in a Snow-Bound Mosh Pit. You ignore racials; you roll Female Gnome Warrior. Your racial lets you get out of traps so you can get more up close and personal.

Female Gnome Warrior.

Also you get to make cute squeaking noises when attacked by another pair of giant kneecaps.
#10 Apr 07 2009 at 8:46 AM Rating: Decent
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Narlaquin wrote:
Racials are not that significant. However, to be a tank, you need to get the mindset: Night Elves have a get out of combat button. That makes them cowards. Dwarves are good, but Stoneform seems to be a bit of an emergency "Save Me! Save Me!" button, for when you can't take the pain no more. Humans are for rep grinders, with all the xp benefits. Lots of diplomacy and sucking up to the hob-nobs. You don't care, you lived your early life in a Snow-Bound Mosh Pit. You ignore racials; you roll Female Gnome Warrior. Your racial lets you get out of traps so you can get more up close and personal.

Female Gnome Warrior.

Also you get to make cute squeaking noises when attacked by another pair of giant kneecaps.


Human > gnome


*hint: You're missing something. Probably too short to see it.
#11 Apr 07 2009 at 8:55 AM Rating: Decent
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How is this even a question?

Dwarf for the win!
#12 Apr 15 2009 at 10:59 PM Rating: Decent
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Stoneform also removes any bleed, poison and disease effect in addition to the 10% extra armor which makes it great against DKs and Rogues. And as a tank I always use stoneform whenever it's ready. It adds up to my migitation. Dwarves also have a racial on maces and guns. 5 expertise on one,- and two-handed maces, and a 1% extra crit chance on guns. And they can find treasure!

Dwarf is the way to go!
#13 Apr 19 2009 at 11:06 AM Rating: Default
Gnome.
#14 Apr 20 2009 at 7:07 AM Rating: Good
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Night Elves get 2% innate misses against them with all physical attacks and nature spells. That's pretty powerful.

Humans, in my opinion, have great racials because of the expertise, anti-fear, and rep gains.
#15 Apr 21 2009 at 9:50 AM Rating: Good
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Racials only matter on the margins, but they do make that slight difference. For tanking nelf/human/dorf/draenie/gnome. For PvP gnome/nelf/dorf/draenie/human. But listen to the play-what-you-like-to look-at crowd.
#16 Apr 22 2009 at 11:06 AM Rating: Decent
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Every Man for Himself makes me pretty hot just in general. Aside from the obvious applications in PvP so that I don't have to wear a 2 minute trinket, I personally find a ton of uses for it just in general as I tank. It's a second reliable fear break, I can bring myself out of stuns with it...all in all, it's ridiculously good. The expertise definitely doesn't hurt either.
#17REDACTED, Posted: May 19 2009 at 8:11 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) imo you gotta roll...
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