I'm a demo lock and almost done getting the achievement, so I could get/make the Wispcloak, but would the Deathchill Cloak be better?
Basically, I'm seeing them as +stam, +int and + mana regen vs +haste and +crit, since that's the only real differences.
Edited, Apr 2nd 2009 4:20am by HandsOfDeath
Edited, Apr 2nd 2009 4:21am by HandsOfDeath
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deathchill cloak is better for locks and mages .. locks dont need mp5
Well true Mp5 isn't that important but with the SP the same the Wispcloak has STA and InT on it. This will mean a bigger mana pool and a bigger health pool to tap from.
The INT will also supply some +Crit iirc although Crit isn't exactly a key stat either
The big loss is the haste.
Personally I'd rather have the STA but then I'm not raiding.
The INT will also supply some +Crit iirc although Crit isn't exactly a key stat either
The big loss is the haste.
Personally I'd rather have the STA but then I'm not raiding.
Wherever I go - there I am.
I don't raid often either, which is why I'm leaning towards the Wispcloak.
I don't know what crit or haste I should aim for, being a demo lock, but currently my haste is 168 and crit is 20.53%.
Edit:
I got a a few new gear items (not a new cloak yet) and:
Haste: 90
Crit: 21.56%
Hit: 152
I barely have any purples yet. Need to get myself into more heroics and raids.
Edited, Apr 3rd 2009 12:52am by HandsOfDeath
I don't know what crit or haste I should aim for, being a demo lock, but currently my haste is 168 and crit is 20.53%.
Edit:
I got a a few new gear items (not a new cloak yet) and:
Haste: 90
Crit: 21.56%
Hit: 152
I barely have any purples yet. Need to get myself into more heroics and raids.
Edited, Apr 3rd 2009 12:52am by HandsOfDeath
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I'd go with the Wispcloak, In fact..lol...I did! Spell pwr is the same on both, but the deathcloak has NO stats, which is why the Wisp is the better item for you. Anytime you can improve your stats, your moving forward, and I actually had a noticible increase in my mana supply/recovery.
haste is better for locks, and mp5 is nothing to us. Deathchill hands down is the better choice for an lock planning on instancing or raiding.
HandsOfDeath wrote:
I'm a demo lock and almost done getting the achievement, so I could get/make the Wispcloak, but would the Deathchill Cloak be better?
You got to 80 without realizing that MP5 means nothing whatsoever?
Wispcloak = +Spellpower, Bigger mana pool, More hit points ...and a bigger mana pool also means little, since we don't run out of mana that easily. A few more HP isn't gonna help much against that elite who normally one-shots you.
Deathchill = +Spellpower, +Crit (more DPS), +Haste (More DPS) ...does more damage mean anything at all to you?
Actually, I know mana regen isn't a big deal with us locks. Life tap and we get more.
I don't know your spec, but with my demo lock, I CoA, Corruption, Immolate and then spam Incinerate. Doing a heroic instance and we encounter a few mobs of elites, after I DoT them up, spam Incinerate, redo DoTs, if needed... after the fight, I need to life tap, due to low mana. I sometimes have to life tap multiple times, during boss fights. Yeah, a healer can usually heal me, but having more life isn't for those 1-hit kill fights. It's so I can life tap more, without making such a dent in my life.
Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I've always thought and even read here that:
hit > SP > haste > spirit > crit
Crit is the last thing locks should aim for.
I don't know your spec, but with my demo lock, I CoA, Corruption, Immolate and then spam Incinerate. Doing a heroic instance and we encounter a few mobs of elites, after I DoT them up, spam Incinerate, redo DoTs, if needed... after the fight, I need to life tap, due to low mana. I sometimes have to life tap multiple times, during boss fights. Yeah, a healer can usually heal me, but having more life isn't for those 1-hit kill fights. It's so I can life tap more, without making such a dent in my life.
Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I've always thought and even read here that:
hit > SP > haste > spirit > crit
Crit is the last thing locks should aim for.
HandsOfDeath wrote:
Actually, I know mana regen isn't a big deal with us locks. Life tap and we get more.
I don't know your spec, but with my demo lock, I CoA, Corruption, Immolate and then spam Incinerate. Doing a heroic instance and we encounter a few mobs of elites, after I DoT them up, spam Incinerate, redo DoTs, if needed... after the fight, I need to life tap, due to low mana. I sometimes have to life tap multiple times, during boss fights. Yeah, a healer can usually heal me, but having more life isn't for those 1-hit kill fights. It's so I can life tap more, without making such a dent in my life.
Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I've always thought and even read here that:
hit > SP > haste > spirit > crit
Crit is the last thing locks should aim for.
I don't know your spec, but with my demo lock, I CoA, Corruption, Immolate and then spam Incinerate. Doing a heroic instance and we encounter a few mobs of elites, after I DoT them up, spam Incinerate, redo DoTs, if needed... after the fight, I need to life tap, due to low mana. I sometimes have to life tap multiple times, during boss fights. Yeah, a healer can usually heal me, but having more life isn't for those 1-hit kill fights. It's so I can life tap more, without making such a dent in my life.
Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I've always thought and even read here that:
hit > SP > haste > spirit > crit
Crit is the last thing locks should aim for.
Yes good thing the death chill cloak has haste one of the really good stats. Also even though crit is largely a weak stat it is still infinitely superior to MP5.
HandsOfDeath wrote:
Crit is the last thing locks should aim for.
Actually, +crit should be looked at way before +STR, +Attack Power, +AGI, etc. So it isn't the last thing a 'lock should look for.
Correct me if I am wrong but isn't Crit going to be > than Haste in the upcoming patch with the changes to DoTs?
I have been holding on to a lot of my side-grade gear so i can stack more crit instead of haste to test when the patch hits.
I have been holding on to a lot of my side-grade gear so i can stack more crit instead of haste to test when the patch hits.
Crit and Haste both rank higher then Int in terms of DPS and Sta adds 0DPS, it's a survivability stat. The Sta = Mana argument is moot since any healer worth a damn isn't going to let your health drop low enough where it matters.
Besides that, 43 sta = 430 health = 1/3 of a lifetap. Not even worth the potential argument.
Deathchill is the only choice for a lock, regardless of spec.
And to avoid the next question, Lightweave Embroidery
Besides that, 43 sta = 430 health = 1/3 of a lifetap. Not even worth the potential argument.
Deathchill is the only choice for a lock, regardless of spec.
And to avoid the next question, Lightweave Embroidery
Raolan wrote:
any healer worth a damn isn't going to let your health drop low enough where it matters.
You are DPS. You are replaceable. The tank takes priority from the healer, so if you can't heal yourself, you could be outa luck. Now, I'm not saying that healers are not going to heal you, but you'd better be aware of your place on the pecking order of healing importance.
ohmikeghod the Venerable wrote:
Raolan wrote:
any healer worth a damn isn't going to let your health drop low enough where it matters.
You are DPS. You are replaceable. The tank takes priority from the healer, so if you can't heal yourself, you could be outa luck. Now, I'm not saying that healers are not going to heal you, but you'd better be aware of your place on the pecking order of healing importance.
I completely agree if it's a matter of healing the DPS vs. healing the tank, the tank always wins out, which is where healthstones, pots and in the worst case, bandages come into play. The comment was in reference to sacrificing DPS for the benefit of health -> mana via lifetap.
never ever equip anything with mp5... makes you look like a ******. the other back piece is so much better. ***** the stamina and int.. not needed
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