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Blessing of Kings vs. Blessing of MightFollow

#1 Mar 31 2009 at 8:16 AM Rating: Decent
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Just wondering, which buff is better for a Ret pally? I have points in improved kings, and I've been using it for the most part lately.

Sorry if this has already been discussed. Smiley: tongue

Any comments and/or advice are appreciated.
#2 Mar 31 2009 at 8:19 AM Rating: Good
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Might gives more damage unless you have 2000+ str.

Kings gives Stamina, which is good for PvP.

#3 Mar 31 2009 at 5:23 PM Rating: Good
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My opinion always stands that Kings is a very nice SECONDARY blessing, but is very rarely suitable for a main blessing. On a melee class, Might is almost always more powerful. Caster classes will choose the mana regen almost every time.

As such, I will usually use Kings only in the following cases:
  • There is another paladin in the group who is already casting Might/Wisdom
  • One of the dps keeps dying (and so needs the stamina boost from BoK)
  • One of the dps is over-aggroing, and needs their damage cutting down by BoK (Yes, I'm a vindictive buffer)
  • One of the other party members knows their mechanics well enough to request Kings over Wisdom (This is currently the case on my resto druid, but I fear it won't be after the patch.)

  • As for yourself, that depends on what you need. Might will be the better choice for pure dps, almost certainly. However, if you feel you are dying too much (Sta) or going OOM too much (Int) then trading a little power for the extra stats provided by Kings might be a good move.

    As with everything in WoW, there is no right or wrong answer, and so you should adapt what you use to the situation at hand.
    #4 Mar 31 2009 at 6:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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    If the OP is asking which to use while solo'ing, then BoM is by far the better choice in most circumstances (losing a bit of its lustre when you're stacking an insane amount of Strength, but if you have to ask, you're probably not there yet!).

    If you're talking about pre-3.1 PVE talent builds though, please, I urge you to put 10 points into the Prot tree to pick up both Divine Strength AND Blessing of Kings. The Holy/Prot pallies in your raids will praise you to the heavens for your minor personal sacrifice for the greater good (i.e., there's a widespread impression that you've got talent points to spare).
    #5 Mar 31 2009 at 7:14 PM Rating: Decent
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    How I buff if im the only paladin.

    Melee DPS: Might
    Tanks: Kings
    Caster DPS: Wisdom
    Healers: Wisdom
    Hunters: I give them Wisdom even when they ask for might, sure might gives them more dps over a short fight but 9 times out of 10 a Hunter will OOM if he doesnt have Wisdom in a boss encounter. And a Hunter with no mana does 0 dps.
    Never sure how to buff Enhancement Shammy's, I tend to go with what they ask for.

    For soloing, I would say Might all the way, you are rarely going to be so badly hurt in solo PvE as to need the extra Stamina or Int from Kings.

    I think I went away from your question but I wanted to cover everything.
    #6 Apr 01 2009 at 7:48 AM Rating: Decent
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    Thanks for the input, very helpful.

    Most of time I use Blessing of Might while soloing, but it was cool to see what you guys use in different situations. Everyone rated up. Smiley: nod
    #7 Apr 01 2009 at 8:51 AM Rating: Good
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    EbanySalamonderiel wrote:
    How I buff if im the only paladin.
    Caster DPS: Wisdom
    I think I went away from your question but I wanted to cover everything.


    Most of what you said is true but this statement isn't 100% sure for all caster classes. Specifically on my lock I will request kings often as my main buff since the bonus stats does a decent amount to increase my +dmg. Specifically the spirit it gives me adds a decent bit of +dmg and also makes me gain more mana from lifetap, and since even with the wisdom I will need to lifetap quite often the kings is better overall. This is especailly true since the increased mana will also make me gain more from replenishment. Don't know enough about any of the other DPS casters to say anything.
    #8 Apr 01 2009 at 9:50 AM Rating: Excellent
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    When Kings is baselined with the patch, it will be academic, but I'm getting more convinced over time that the only specs who should get Kings currently are Ret, who have the points to "spare" (i.e. no alternative that will increase personal/group DPS) and Holy ONLY in 51/20/0 "Divine Guardian" spec but not 51/5/15 "Selfless Blesser" spec.

    If having Kings is going to cost crit anyway, might as well go far enough down in Prot to get the Tier 4 talents that provide real utility. And since you'll be blessing Kings anyway, use the points from Improved Wisdom to improve Lay on Hands instead, bringing its cooldown to the point you can use it at a minimum on every boss fight.
    #9 Apr 02 2009 at 8:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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    EbanySalamonderiel wrote:
    How I buff if im the only paladin.

    Melee DPS: Might
    Tanks: Kings
    Caster DPS: Wisdom
    Healers: Wisdom
    Hunters: I give them Wisdom even when they ask for might, sure might gives them more dps over a short fight but 9 times out of 10 a Hunter will OOM if he doesnt have Wisdom in a boss encounter. And a Hunter with no mana does 0 dps.
    Never sure how to buff Enhancement Shammy's, I tend to go with what they ask for.

    For soloing, I would say Might all the way, you are rarely going to be so badly hurt in solo PvE as to need the extra Stamina or Int from Kings.

    I think I went away from your question but I wanted to cover everything.


    About to dust off my 47 pally, so I am surfing your boards again, but I just had to step in here as a Hunter. A Hunter with no mana does not do 0 DPS:

    1) he would still have his auto shots going
    2) he would switch his aspect to Viper and keep on shooting, sure it is a 50% reduction in damage, but it will refill his own mana very quickly. So his DPS goes from whatever, say 4000 to 2000 but only for about 15 seconds.

    In the end, for the love of god, give the hunter might
    #10 Apr 08 2009 at 8:15 AM Rating: Good
    Also, as was mention closer to the top of this thread. NOT ALL HEALERS WANT WISDOM! My resto druid gets more mana regen from kings than it does wisdom. And kings also increases my spell power by a nice chunk. Im still learning about pally healing but it seems to me that kings could possibly be better for some pallys do to the mana returns on divine plea.

    And giving hunters wisdom is just plain silly.
    #11 Apr 08 2009 at 9:02 AM Rating: Decent
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    Perhaps I run with unintelligent hunters Zebug, when I buff them might after a few trash pulls their mana has dropped to 0 and less than half the hunters I run with switch to Viper, maybe ive just had bad experiences. I give them wisdom at the start, they ask for might I give them it, they consistently run out of mana and dont regen it, I give them wisdom again.

    And to the people disagreeing with me buffing healers or casters with wisdom, that is just my basic rule. I will throw wisdom onto the shaman and if he wants different he can ask. You cant please everyone with one blessing so I go with what I feel is best, if they ask for something different I give them it.
    #12 Apr 08 2009 at 9:12 AM Rating: Good
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    I use might when soloing with my Holy Paladin, and use So whatever it is the gives mana, with the mana judgement to keep my mana up.
    #13 Apr 08 2009 at 9:53 PM Rating: Excellent
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    DKs get might, unless tanking. Then kings.
    Druids get might if feral kitty, otherwise kings.
    Hunters get might.
    Mage gets kings.
    Paladin gets kings, unless Ret. Then BoM.
    Priest gets kings.
    Rogue gets might.
    Shaman gets might if he has low mana, otherwise he's elemental or resto, so wisdom.
    Warlock gets kings.
    Warrior gets might, unless tanking. Then kings.

    Mage/priest/warlock should never go OOM in a fight, and MP5 doesn't really go well with them, unless I'm mistaken. Kings is just the better buy.

    Melee classes usually benefit from might until their stats are monstrous.

    Shaman just need a quick mouseover their mana bar to find out what they need as a general rule, although they might prefer kings if elemental.

    Hunters do NOT need wisdom. If he's using viper to regain mana instead of drinking, tell him to stop being such a lazy, cheap snob and start drinking between fights, or to put up viper between fights asap and switch back to hawk when the fighting starts. You are not helping his DPS by giving him wisdom. Just go with might.
    #14 Apr 09 2009 at 4:28 AM Rating: Good
    I just respreced my 61 BE pally from ret to prot. I found for lvling I used BoM always so i didn't even put any point in BoK. Then when i repspeced to Prot you get BoS anyways which i use, so for me only reason I'd use BoK is on someone else...waist of my 5 points, if I extra i may get..
    #15 Apr 09 2009 at 5:07 AM Rating: Excellent
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    too much theorycrafting going on.

    it comes down to group make up and what you are doing. Wisdom is now a 2nd rate blessing(til patch at least). how many warriors do you have in group/raid? how many pallies do you have? who has Kings? who has imp Might?

    if the OP is asking which buff should he give himself...Might(99% of the time). the 1000hp you get for Kings is garbage. use Kings on the Hodir spear daily tho.
    #16 Apr 09 2009 at 5:18 AM Rating: Good
    i use kings on my pally when i'm holy
    the extra stats (sta, int, crit, sp) are better than mp5 for my current gear/spec, and i never had any oom trouble
    #17 Apr 09 2009 at 6:40 AM Rating: Good
    Same with me. Kings when Holy, Might when Ret and Salvation when Tanking. It's not like they really give us much option as paladins, do they? You'd be so screwed taking anything but the tanking blessing while tanking, even though extra 10% stats would really help out. I'll take kings when I spec Ret, but not ever to use on myself - there just seems to be extra points kicking around in that spec, so I pick it up for the rest of the group.

    Kal
    #18 Apr 09 2009 at 8:27 AM Rating: Excellent
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    I have to agree, Might nearly 100% of the time is better than Kings for a Ret Paladin, though they are most likely to be able to afford taking Kings. Good thing it won't matter anymore in 3.1 though ,cause all Paladins will have Kings baseline.

    I do tend to use Kings over Might when I PvP though. I've found it to work better for me.
    #19 Apr 14 2009 at 9:44 AM Rating: Good
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    Quote:
    i use kings on my pally when i'm holy
    the extra stats (sta, int, crit, sp) are better than mp5 for my current gear/spec, and i never had any oom trouble


    If you have kings on your holy pally you already sacrificed 3-5% crit from the Ret tree. So your not coming out ahead with self buffing kings. So a PvE holy spec is a bad example when comparing kings to wisdom.
    #20 Apr 14 2009 at 2:09 PM Rating: Good
    ocyen wrote:
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    i use kings on my pally when i'm holy
    the extra stats (sta, int, crit, sp) are better than mp5 for my current gear/spec, and i never had any oom trouble


    If you have kings on your holy pally you already sacrificed 3-5% crit from the Ret tree. So your not coming out ahead with self buffing kings. So a PvE holy spec is a bad example when comparing kings to wisdom.



    As of now this is not true.
    #21 Apr 14 2009 at 5:37 PM Rating: Good
    I like throwing sanctuary on the tank, or if he has it bow as a second. nice when a pally tanks mana doesn't budge no matter how long the fight goes
    #22 Apr 15 2009 at 12:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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    Paly tanks don't need Wisdom to prevent going oom. Sanctuary, then Kings, then Might. Wisdom is last.
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