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#1 Mar 27 2009 at 5:24 PM Rating: Default
I always felt for survivability a 1h and shield was better than a 2h, but a lot of people say a 2h is better until 40, why is this? Thanks.
#2 Mar 27 2009 at 6:45 PM Rating: Decent
If your dying while questing at this point in the game, your doing something wrong. 2h = more dps = faster killing = faster lvling.

At 40 you can duel wield some 1 handers and go to town with windfury.
#3 Mar 28 2009 at 5:52 AM Rating: Decent
When you are leveling, you shouldn't be getting into long, drawn out fights. Nor should you be aggro'ing more than two (maybe three) mobs at a time. So the 2H should get all the killing done before you die. With healing wave, you can heal yourself, so down time should be kept to a minimum. Using a shield/1H, sure, you leave the fight with some more hp, but it takes much longer. Mobs should be around 75% health by time they get to you after you bang 'em with lighting bolt and earth shock, so the 2H has less work to do and the fights are a lot shorter.
#4 Apr 28 2009 at 12:02 AM Rating: Decent
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One handers are ok but you can only use one enhancement on them , so at level 40 and the chance of two weapons with enhancements on them means a lot more damage possibilities , i am not sure of how much extra damage can be done but from all i have read about dual wield it is well worth it .


Personally i like the look the dual wield gives , there is nothing like two weapons flashing and banging on the enemy mobs to make me think i am having fun unlike the slow one hander where you can count the seconds off before it hits again.


edited to add where i said slow one hander i meant a two handed weapon and i guess i messed up a few other bits as well , thats what comes from being half asleep when writing but i guess you get my thoughts on it.

Edited, May 1st 2009 3:42am by sandralover
#5 Apr 30 2009 at 12:59 PM Rating: Decent
From my prot war days I also was thinking that a "board and sword" method would increase survivability, but have found the opposite to be true. With a 2 hander you are doing far more damage and kill the mob alot faster and thus take less damage as a result. The armor value from a shield does not mitigate that much damage and so fighting with a weaker 1 hander the fight lasts longer and you seem to take way more damage in the long run. Once I switched to 2 handers I also found dealing with 2 and 3 mobs was alot easier and more survivable and thus questing went alot faster too. I just hit 41 and now dual weilding with weapon enchants on both are amazingly fast dpsing on the mobs.
#6 May 06 2009 at 11:59 PM Rating: Decent
to steal the thread alittle bit. if you do go duelwielding what should you put on weapon duel wf or the rockbiter on one?? i like elemental better than enchancement so far but maybe i'm doing something wrong with enchancement.
#7 May 18 2009 at 7:18 AM Rating: Decent
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in TBC it used to be: Slow + WF / Slow + WF
but no idea if that's still the case..

also heard some good things about Slow + WF / Fast + FT
#8REDACTED, Posted: May 18 2009 at 1:53 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I have to say, 2h is a lot of fun.
#9 May 18 2009 at 6:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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Sorry to get a Theophany type reply, but once you hit 40 as enhancement, dual-wield or reroll because you're an idiot. Up until that point, use a two-hander.

If you are enhancement, dual-wielding is ALWAYS better. Waaaaay back in vanilla a strong, slow two-hander had its place with rolling WF procs one-shotting things. Now... not so much. With a BoA weapon it might work out ok, but dual-wielding still works out better with comparable weapons. To directly answer your question, pre-40 your choices are a two-hander or a one-ahnder and a shield. While a shield is nice, a two-hander will do more damage. Unlike some classes you have no trouble healing yourself, so doing more damage is the best option. At level 40 you get dual-wield as a talent, and you should continue with it for the rest of the way up. It does a TON more damage. You shred things with two weapons. Not to mention that later enhancement talents work off of having more hits:
1. Flurry works off crits. More attacks = more crits = more flurry.
2. Unleashed rage works off crits as well. More hits = more crits = more uptime.
3. Lava lash can only be used with an offhand weapon.
4. Maelstrom works with the whole more hits = more crits = more use.

Really, once you get Maelstrom and Lava Lash (ie, level 60) if you still use a two-hander you really have no understanding of your class.

Summary: two-hander to 40, then dual-wield.
#10 May 19 2009 at 9:36 PM Rating: Default
What would you recommend to dual-wield with BoA gear? Daggers or Swords? Thrash Blade multi-attack might be pretty nifty if speed is not a factor.
#11 May 19 2009 at 10:15 PM Rating: Decent
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Tsuvati wrote:
What would you recommend to dual-wield with BoA gear? Daggers or Swords? Thrash Blade multi-attack might be pretty nifty if speed is not a factor.


Smiley: facepalm

Why do we not have a facepalm emoticon?
#12REDACTED, Posted: May 19 2009 at 10:34 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Thanks for your wonderful help useless *******#1. I -just- started Shaman, I am doing exactly as the above mentioned.
#13 May 20 2009 at 12:14 AM Rating: Good
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Go windowlick elsewhere dipsh*t.


Stop talking to yourself.

Shamans cannot use swords.
#14 May 20 2009 at 5:08 AM Rating: Excellent
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Tsuvati wrote:
Thanks for your wonderful help useless @#%^#1. I -just- started Shaman, I am doing exactly as the above mentioned.
I have read the sticky and it's okay-ish at best.

Simple question, simple answer.

Why do people on this board have such a hard bloody time figuring out how to answer a question? Go windowlick elsewhere dipsh*t.


Calm down. Shamans can't use swords. It was a very dumb question.

Your options are basically to use BoA daggers, or to find AH items. Slow one-handers are much better than fast ones, so it's an interesting question of what would be best to use. Until 40 it's obviously your Bloodied Arcanite Reaper. After that point you'd be better off using AH blues when at all possible (Wirt's Third leg is a good one in the 40s, and only comes from one place so you could theoretically find some by yourself). Once you get Lava Lash, using a fast offhand dagger with Flametongue is a viable option, but you'll still want to find a slow main-hand blue when possible.

BoA options did kinda ***** over enhancement shamans, unfortunately.
#15 May 20 2009 at 5:11 AM Rating: Good
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Also note that around level 58 you could definitely respec to Elemental to level. It will be a bit slower than enhancement, but you'd be able to take advantage of BoA hammers. Up until that point the lack of spell power gear makes it more of a pain.
#16 May 20 2009 at 9:13 AM Rating: Good
For those that don't even look on the Main WoW Site:

Shaman section wrote:
Allowable Weapons: One-Handed Maces, Staves, Fist Weapons (Draenei with training), One-Handed Axes (with training), Daggers (with training), Two-Handed Axes (with training), Two-Handed Maces (with training)



Or Alla's very own Shaman wiki page.

Edited, May 20th 2009 1:16pm by xNocturnalSunx
#17 May 20 2009 at 9:16 AM Rating: Good
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Duchess xNocturnalSunx wrote:
For those that don't even look on the Main WoW Site:

Shaman section wrote:
Allowable Weapons: One-Handed Maces, Staves, Fist Weapons (Draenei with training), One-Handed Axes (with training), Daggers (with training), Two-Handed Axes (with training), Two-Handed Maces (with training)


Edited, May 20th 2009 1:14pm by xNocturnalSunx


It's even included in the class description accessible at the top of the Shaman forum main page. Smiley: schooled
#18 May 20 2009 at 2:50 PM Rating: Good
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In all fairness, unless they've played the class for a while, you can't expect them to know everything about it. I read through the FAQ here and the only weapons paragraph I found mentioned nothing about weapon classes.

The class description available at the top of the main Shaman forum here on the site has apparently been moved. There used to be a link, but I can't see it anywhere now. In the old days it was all visible above the forum, but they removed it and created a link instead. I haven't clicked that link in forever. It's very easy to miss because it's just some blue text. And now it's apparently gone entirely. (edit: read below)

I don't think I've ever used the official website's class descriptions. And really, who bothers reading up on everything about a game when you can play it? I came to these forums after I started playing. Mainly because I needed advice on something I had tried and failed at, not something I was about to do and wanted not to fail at. Of course, at the time, everyone was new so no one considered it /facepalmworthy when people asked why they couldn't equip or train swords as a Shaman.

So, while I don't agree with the tone in Tsuvati's post, I do understand his frustration.

(edit)

Ah, now I see. When you select the Shaman forum from the drop-down menu above, you are taken to:

http://wow.allakhazam.com/forum.html?wclass=8

This page does not contain a Class Description link.

However, if you go to the class selection menu and select the Shaman forum, you are taken to:

http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/class.html?wclass=8

Which is an entirely different page.

Same thing happens if you select a thread and then click the Thread Index link. I always use the drop-down menu, hence why I thought the class description to have vanished. Smiley: wink

Edited, May 21st 2009 12:54am by Mazra
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#19 May 20 2009 at 6:32 PM Rating: Good
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Which is an entirely different page.


Yeah, it's a little annoying...especially since that entirely different page is linked to, but does not exist for, the mobile version of the site. I want to be able to read class forums on my phone, dammit. Smiley: mad
#20 May 21 2009 at 8:15 AM Rating: Good
All of your links go to the exact same page, Maz (at least it is for me).

It'd be easier if you just follow my link to the Alla Wiki page which has the weapon information for shamans near the top of that page.

Go to the Game Info drop down menu > Class > Shaman.

That will take you to the wiki. (See link in my prior post)
#21 May 21 2009 at 1:58 PM Rating: Decent
I apologize for my short-fuse there, just frustrated that every time people ask questions here it seems to be 90% sass, 9% wrong answers, and only 1% correct.

I completely forgot Shammy can't use swords. As for AH blues.. that makes me sad but I'll manage.

Thanks for the info on wiki too!
#22 May 22 2009 at 5:33 AM Rating: Good
Unfortunately, Tsuvati, you'll find this anywhere you go online. You just have to roll with the punches and be sassy back. People here may seem like they're douches, but you'll find that many of their replies and posts do actually contain useful information and they do help people out a lot. People usually see the few negative responses instead of looking at them all.

Good luck!
#23 Jun 26 2009 at 9:19 PM Rating: Decent
Leveling with a 2H past 40 is not as bad as everyone says it is. Yes, DW is more consistent, and it would be foolish to go 2H unless you have some pretty good gear. I twinked out at 49 for a while just for fun, and when I decided to level I didn't notice much of a difference between using my executioners cleaver (with savagery of course) and my bonesnapper/smashing star with mongoose/mongoose, so I used 2H for most of the time. Just a SS and ES with one WF would bring mobs down below 35%, and if WF crit it was over for any mob.

You only really start noticing the difference when you get 5 points in MW. Course maybe I'm just more patient than most, my first shaman went 1-80 as restoration :P

#24 Jul 14 2009 at 9:00 AM Rating: Good
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I finally hit 42 on my Shaman and went from pretty terrible to absurdly powerful. The double Flurry Axes with Mongoose *may* have something to do with that >.>;;;;
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