Just call me Twilight Vanquisher ArexFollow

Congo-rats! My guild is way too casual to ever do this, but I'm hoping to get my Champion title soon (darn you, Malygos!)

Locke, I don't even have my champs title yet. I've yet to do Drak'Theron Keep and finish Occulus.

Last time I was in Occulus we were trying some drake combos that were pretty insane.

/sigh.....


I can't see me getting the title anytime soon. We attempted 1 drake up with 17-18 people the other night. We had 3-4 attempts and each attempt had 10+ voidzone 10+ flame wall failures. Then we downed the boss with no drakes on the 2nd try (a 2% wipe the first try) also with 10+ flame wall failures.

My name did not appear on the failure list at all in any of the attempts (I was healing). I cannot understand how people can repeatedly fail on this. Particularly after a few attempts with deadly boss mods announcing the failures. Surely people would start concentrating more on not failing and less on maximising DPS!

Yes, Congrats to both!

I don't think I've been in a ten man on Arex in a long long time. Einziger my Dk though is a different story.

Gratz, man. We did 2 drakes up this Friday night with only 2 wipes and our first try on it. Will attempt to do 3 drakes next week.

Gratz everyone on your new titles!

My guild from BC broke up 2 weeks after WotLK came out. The split brought about 2/5ths of the guild over to my bank alt's guild, from there we have slowly grown up to 80 members, over 180 toons and over 60 level 80's.

We didn't even start raiding Naxx 10 till 2 months ago and since then we've cleared all of Naxx 10, Naxx 25, OS + 1 drake for 10 and 25, Arch 10/25, and as of Sunday, Maly 10. (Maly 25 to 38% *shakes fist*)

The funny thing was that we have been clearing Naxx 25 up to Kel for the last 3 weeks. We finally downed him on Sunday, went immediately into Maly and gave it 6-8 tries before dropping down to 10 man and dropping him on 2nd try. I even had to respec heals from tanking Kel and Maly on the 25 man version because all but 1 of our healers had to go for the night. So we rocked Maly with just 2 healers, me and a Disc Priest in pvp spec.(Ichs, on my server) You can check my resto set in my sig. (Offsets ftw!)

So it was a good day for progression for the guild. I finally got my "Champion of the Frozen Wastes" title, and we're working on Sarth + 2 drakes on both 10 and 25 this week. I am still hoping to get OS3D done before Ulduar, but we're getting down to the wire, so I guess we'll see.

Edited, Mar 31st 2009 10:07am by Galenmoon

The biggest things we ran into while doing three drakes were these.

Tanking positions. Having your adds tank correctly learn to place the adds on the drakes when they become too much so you can aoe on the adds and drake at the same time.

Tunnel Vision. Basically this goes for everyone. Getting rid of the tunnel vision on things like voids and firewalls will really improve how well you do. This was by far the hardest thing my guild had to do. We started out with about 10 firewall fails and about 5 or 6 void zones and now when we do it we're down to about 1 firewall and 0 voidzones.

MT Cooldowns. All I can say is get a bear and gear that son of a ***** out with stam gems and stam enchants. Also getting the necessary fire resist really helps with breaths. Our MT has about 51k buffed and hasn't had a problem with it once we got the healers and tank to rotate cooldowns correctly.

One of the best things we found was this. We make one of our retadins respec so they get divine protection for the raid. When the third drake pops up and twilight torment comes down on you, your dps will utlimately kill themselves if they're not paying attention. This is why having both drakes down and managing portals becomes so important. So when twilight torment first hits having someone pop divine protection will really save the dps some time, and have a high chance of killing that retadin.

All dps, pending DK's, should have haste pots to burn on tenenbron the second he comes down. Depending on your raids dps the first drake generally needs to be dead before the 2nd one comes down. It took us awhile but we're now at the point where tenenbron is dead before the second drake even lands. After that we burn heroisom/bloodlust and kill the second drake as fast as humanly possible.

There is a lot to absorb here but these are the things my guild had to perfect before we were able to get three drakes down. Mind you, we wiped.... A LOT. But over time we figured out the right comp for our raid and had the dps to bring.

I used to top meters doing like 4500-5000 on patchwerk, now the mages, warlocks, shamans and warriors are pushing 5.5k+ and more. DPS is a HUGE thing in 3drakes.

No lies, dk tanks really dont work as well as you'd think. We tried and tried to have a dk tank it but it never worked.

The thing about sarth tanking for 3d is you basically take anything for stam, this means you use your polar set chest and you go lw/jc for monarch crab 63/41/41 stam and the 90 stam enchant for bracers. Come breath time Survival Instincts will push you over 65k health.

You won't put up that much threat, but by the time you eventually get to the point where the 3 drakes are down you'll have so much threat it will take roughly shy of a miracle for anyone to ever catch you.

Well, for 25 man we usually have everyone around 3.5k and up. Mind you this includes aoe and single target damage. I usually come out of 3d around 4k-4.2k dps. But for the 10 man version you're going to want to have some pretty ridiculous dps. Basically maximize buffs around certain dps styles like melee or caster. My guild has been trying 10man 3d a lot more lately and its definately helped to keep it to all melee or all caster.

As for the stam stacked bear, yes thats what you want but you also want that bear to have some form of fire resist incorporated into the set. I can't remember the website off hand but if you searched around google i think you could find the one where it talks about certain fire resist criteria that you can meet that will reduce the amount of damage taken per breath.

It's possible you might want to consider dropping a dps for another adds tank, but that is going to be something you're gonna have to just figure out after trying it for awhile. The dps should work well together since all the buffs provided are very good.

You've got misery for cap, dal brilliance, wrath totem and the other 255 sp shammy totem (the name escapes me), elemental oath and that thing locks give out I also can't remember that name. Make sure you can get kings from one of the pallies and you'll be solid.

But like I said, you're going to have to play around with how things work with an adds tank. If you're dps is lacking enough for taking down tenebron as fast as possible it'll make things interesting when adds start coming out of the wood work.

All I can say is make damn sure that every dps is holding onto haste pots because those will make life a hell of a lot easier when you can get a 15 second mini hero/bloodlust for that extra umph you need.

The only thing that is going to be hard is the lack of mana returns from other classes, IE: Hunters and retadins. Everyone might have to alter their specs slightly just for the mana regeneration talents. But for boomkins it's pretty easy especially if you're not pulling 3/3 imp is or 3/3 imp ff.

Edit: Also you'll want to go over the MT's trinket and cd rotations with the main healer. As they're going to probabaly pose the biggest threat for wipes because of the breath.

And for your dps just make sure to not clip dots and for you w/o imp ff it shouldn't be an issue. You've got stellar aoe for taking down adds as fast as possible when they become too much to handle.

GL with it :D

Edited, Apr 4th 2009 10:46pm by ArexLovesPie

The Aggro League is working on this fight right now. We've been at it for a few hours so far and tonight has been our best series of attempts ever. About a half hour ago we got all 3 drakes down and Sartharion down to 700k health but then we hit the enrage timer and wiped. It was a disastrous and demoralizing moment but we're not giving up. We know we can do it.

And we shall.

Edit: And we did! At 2:30 am server time we got it down :)

Edited, Apr 5th 2009 2:44am by Tavarde

Thank you :) We worked our butts off on that fight since early February. A few personnel changes in the midst of it slowed our progress. But a big weight feels like it's been lifted.

And I fail! Because I didn't say this initially:

GRATS ArexLovesPie!!!