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#16627 Jun 19 2012 at 11:11 AM Rating: Excellent
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Even living in a city, you can be pretty much screwed if you want to go somewhere other than downtown, especially at non-peak hours. It'll take me 2x as long to get home if I leave in the middle of the day.
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#16628 Jun 19 2012 at 11:12 AM Rating: Good
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Basically, a car in and of itself doesn't offer you freedom, it's having a practical and cost efficient mode of transportation that offers you freedom and in rural areas, that mode of transportation is per definition a car.
#16629 Jun 19 2012 at 11:24 AM Rating: Good
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someproteinguy wrote:
Even living in a city, you can be pretty much screwed if you want to go somewhere other than downtown, especially at non-peak hours. It'll take me 2x as long to get home if I leave in the middle of the day.
But you have more options is my point. I'm talking about pretty much not being able to go home or out at all should you not have a car. It might take longer, but you haven't lost the option, which to me is a higher degree of freedom. If my car* breaks down, we don't have to scramble to make arrangements to get anywhere. Like I said, personal view. Some people measure freedom based on how much convenience they gain by having it. I measure by how inconvenienced I'd be from losing it.

* Well, my wife's ...
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#16630 Jun 19 2012 at 11:30 AM Rating: Excellent
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Even living in a city, you can be pretty much screwed if you want to go somewhere other than downtown, especially at non-peak hours. It'll take me 2x as long to get home if I leave in the middle of the day.
But you have more options is my point. I'm talking about pretty much not being able to go home or out at all should you not have a car. It might take longer, but you haven't lost the option, which to me is a higher degree of freedom. If my car* breaks down, we don't have to scramble to make arrangements to get anywhere. Like I said, personal view. Some people measure freedom based on how much convenience they gain by having it. I measure by how inconvenienced I'd be from losing it.

* Well, my wife's ...


Yeah I could see that. I like living someplace where everything I need is within walking distance. That's probably the best part about where we live now. Really kind of helps with stuff. Work commute still sucks though. I can't drive to work because there's not enough parking, and it's too far to walk. Plus the wife doesn't approve of me taking the bike since we had the little ones... Smiley: lol
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#16631 Jun 19 2012 at 11:41 AM Rating: Good
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#16632 Jun 19 2012 at 11:49 AM Rating: Default
lolgaxe wrote:
. Like I said, personal view. Some people measure freedom based on how much convenience they gain by having it. I measure by how inconvenienced I'd be from losing it.
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#16633 Jun 19 2012 at 12:04 PM Rating: Good
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That manager wasn't too bright if he thought that $350 worth of free groceries wouldn't have drawn that much attention. Smiley: dubious
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#16634 Jun 19 2012 at 12:12 PM Rating: Good
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No fair! I would so do that.
#16635 Jun 19 2012 at 2:44 PM Rating: Good
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PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
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No fair! I would so do that.
You filthy pervert! Smiley: wink
#16636 Jun 19 2012 at 2:46 PM Rating: Good
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PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
Yeah, I'm with Aeth on that one. I have several friends who don't have their license or a car, and they have to walk everywhere or go nowhere. Or rely on rides from others. Of course, there's nothing wrong with walking everywhere, but it definitely takes more time.


Don't they have bicycles in the US?
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#16637 Jun 19 2012 at 3:01 PM Rating: Good
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They do but no cycling lanes and dumb 16 year olds (and other bad drivers) driving cars, would you want to cycle anywhere?
#16638 Jun 19 2012 at 3:03 PM Rating: Good
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I don't know, I don't use bicycles. I'm a wanderer. I'd rather walk for an hour than ride a bike for ten minutes.

My fellow countrymen are a bit different, though. They're riders.



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#16639 Jun 19 2012 at 3:15 PM Rating: Good
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I'd rather cycle 100 miles than walk 20. Walking sucks.
#16640 Jun 19 2012 at 3:59 PM Rating: Good
Actually it really depends on the individual town. Eugene is great for bicyclists. So much so, that a good number of our cyclists are ******** who nearly run over people who are walking... Or they ride their bike down the middle of the street, knowing full well there are cars behind them, and don't move over so we can get around. There are bike lanes in a lot of areas in Eugene. In fact, there's even bike lanes on the highway in Brookings. We so rarely get bicyclists here though, that people use the bike lanes as turning lanes. Smiley: facepalm And sadly, I've never seen anyone get a ticket for that. I pointed out to my mom that it was illegal, but she just kind of shrugged and said there wasn't a bicyclist anywhere around, so it should be fine.
#16641 Jun 19 2012 at 9:56 PM Rating: Good
I just kind of think having a car is like a piano, but with extra taxes - impossible to ship across borders/oceans/whathaveyou, and I need to have space to store it somewhere.

That being said, when I did live in rural areas, it wasn't very useful to have one. In the US, any place that was sort of cool was still 150 miles away and in the UK taking the car to go into the city was about as expensive as taking a taxi (and a lot more trouble) due to the congestion charge - and taxis in the UK are expensive.

So I just prefer to be in areas with either public transport of some sort (that I find acceptable) or taxis I can actually afford. Or both. Dubai is awesome...

I also prefer to be able to walk 5 miles somewhere if I feel like it. That's the problem with this place... Smiley: mad
#16642 Jun 19 2012 at 10:08 PM Rating: Good
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I walk to a lot of places. Ride my bike to many more. Bus everyday to and from work.

I only take cars on the weekend when friends drive.
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#16643 Jun 19 2012 at 11:56 PM Rating: Decent
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Mazra wrote:
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Confidence, though, comes from two things: 1) knowing you're attractive, or 2) knowing you have other things to bring to the table.


Self-confidence comes from believing yourself to be right. The reason dressing well makes you confident in yourself is because you believe you look attractive in fine clothes, and the attention you're getting is providing the confirmation you need to keep believing it.

Fact of the matter is, you could wear @#%^ all and you'd still get attention from ladies. As long as you believe that you're right in what you do and say, you'll have confidence in yourself. Just make sure it's always merited, otherwise confidence turns to arrogance. Smiley: tongue

What I'm saying is that you're right. Believing you're attractive makes you confident. Getting positive attention enhances that confidence. Doesn't matter what you wear, or how you look, though.

Edit: For the record, I think you're attractive. For a man. No ****, etc. You've got good genes.

Edited, Jun 19th 2012 10:53am by Mazra

I guess that's a better way to put it. And yes, I know I have good jeans, I bought them at Nordstrom. Smiley: grin Smiley: nod

EDIT: On the topic of cars and freedom, I don't associate my car with freedom since work provides compensation for public transportation, but I still prefer having a car. Like was said, since I live in a metropolitan environment, it gives me much more freedom to go and do what I want (though if I were in Chicago still, I would never use my car unless I was in the suburbs, trains rock).

Edited, Jun 19th 2012 10:59pm by Theophany
#16644 Jun 20 2012 at 2:04 AM Rating: Good
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Theo wrote:
EDIT: On the topic of cars and freedom, I don't associate my car with freedom since work provides compensation for public transportation, but I still prefer having a car. Like was said, since I live in a metropolitan environment, it gives me much more freedom to go and do what I want (though if I were in Chicago still, I would never use my car unless I was in the suburbs, trains rock).


I had a car a few years ago out here, a roommate left it behind. I still mostly walked and took the bus but it was nice to drive into town when I know having said car would be handy after school. That ended up being 3-4 times a month.
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#16645 Jun 20 2012 at 7:01 AM Rating: Good
Yeah, I think if I did have a car in a car-friendly place, I would probably not want to drive much, anyway.
#16646 Jun 20 2012 at 7:51 AM Rating: Good
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I'd rather cycle 100 miles than walk 20. Walking sucks.
I'd rather not live anywhere where that would be something I had to even think about.
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#16647 Jun 20 2012 at 8:02 AM Rating: Good
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I don't have a car and right now I'm living in a smaller town than Espoo, where I have lived most of my life (that's the second largest city in Finland) and sometimes I wish I had a car.
But now that I'm moving back to Espoo in a couple of months, then it doesn't even matter, I can get everywhere quite fast with public transportation.

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#16648 Jun 20 2012 at 9:00 AM Rating: Decent
When you have a family and lots of activities, a car is a must. From groceries shopping for 6 to week-end at the beach.

#16649 Jun 20 2012 at 9:52 AM Rating: Good
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I guess so, but it'll be a looong time before I will have a family of my own.
#16650 Jun 20 2012 at 10:00 AM Rating: Excellent
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Famous last words... Smiley: wink
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#16651 Jun 20 2012 at 10:21 AM Rating: Good
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someproteinguy wrote:
Famous last words... Smiley: wink


Not since they invented birth control, grandpa.

Now you can jinx it and get away with it. Smiley: nod
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