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#14677 Apr 19 2012 at 1:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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IDrownFish of the Seven Seas wrote:
I think we can all agree that the D3 beta isn't enough to decide if all the gameplay is lackluster or not. It's just too short.

I personally like it, though mainly because it's super casual compared to how I play WoW. Pick 6 abilities, spam as needed, kill zombies/demons, profit.

I've been having a blast playing the beta, keeping in mind what the first part of D2 felt like.
#14678 Apr 19 2012 at 1:30 PM Rating: Excellent
someproteinguy wrote:
IDrownFish of the Seven Seas wrote:
I went ahead and greenarrowed everyone on the page, just because.


Smiley: yikes

Karma Camper! Smiley: mad


I'm going to karma jail. I'm a terrible person.
#14679 Apr 19 2012 at 1:35 PM Rating: Good
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I rate down Raw, but that's about it. :P Rated you back up, Pigtails. Happy you had fun, though it sucks he had to leave so soon.

As for D3, from what I've seen in the trailers it is significantly faster-paced then D2 was. Thing is, D2 WAS a fast-paced game for its time. But, due to various factors like computer/internet advances and proliferation, games have definitely gotten faster in pacing as a general rule (with exceptions).

For instance, try playing Ocarina of Time. It's still a great game, but you'll find yourself wondering why it's all so slow. Playing Windwaker isn't nearly so bad (at least where pacing is concerned).

I think that's what's going on here. You are remembering the pace of the game relative to general game pacing of the time. Now, slow games are rare, so the "Average" speed of a game is much, much higher. D3 is definitely quite a bit faster where gameplay is concerned, but it probably hasn't increased as much (due to obvious limitations) as the average pace has.

Plus, remember that your memories of D3 are primarily colored by your play experience in later levels. Even a brand new Assassin was a slow character in D2 compared to one who actually had high resources and ability variance.

Here's a video showing Tristam in all 3 games. Speed in relation to environment has definitely gone up with each game.


Changes to combat speed are less obvious, but combat has definitely become more dynamic. We don't see much running in a combat context in this video where D3 is concerned, where we do see that in D2 (primarily because they are just ignoring the lesser minions). But D3 brings us a far greater variety of ways to move about the field.


Also, @Maz (and people in general), is the beta multiplayer? Because I recall that D2 enemies scaled with the number of people in your world. When solo, killing things was simple, but soloing in a full world required ingenuity.

Like with my Sorceress. I don't remember the spells I used, really, but I remember that all I ever did when solo in a solo world was teleport and use Frost Orb. But if I was solo in a full world, that was not going to cut it--I'd need to play more defensively and tactically.
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#14680 Apr 19 2012 at 1:41 PM Rating: Good
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I think we can all agree that the D3 beta isn't enough to decide if all the gameplay is lackluster or not. It's just too short.

Fair point. Not to mention playing the same short demo several times doesn't help the enthusiasm.

And I'm comparing the D3 demo to my D2 pally in hell-act 3. Also note, that I played hardcore (perma-death) characters in D2 most often, which brings up the stress level significantly. I'm not trying to say that D3 will be a bust, only that this pre-release time frame is surprisingly enthusiasm-sucking time for this title for me disproportionally to other recent titles.

I can only pray that the GW2 demo next weekend doesn't ruin that title for me. The alpha and demo builds I played make me confident but you never know.

Oh, and you're welcome.
#14681 Apr 19 2012 at 1:43 PM Rating: Good
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
I rate down Raw, but that's about it. :P

Same, and I think he rates me down in retaliation. I don't really give **** about it.


Also, this may interest you Theo: Reddit asking Steve Duchesne stuff.
#14682 Apr 19 2012 at 1:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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I usually can't be bothered to push the arrows.
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#14683 Apr 19 2012 at 2:19 PM Rating: Good
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9 times out of 10, Raw's being a ****. The ten percent of the time he isn't obviously being a d-bag, I give him the benefit of the doubt.
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#14684 Apr 19 2012 at 2:22 PM Rating: Excellent
Maybe he assumed it was me then. I only rate him down when he's being a **** as well. If he's just being stupid, I ignore it. Oh and Digg, you need to check the DA thread in the asylum. I left you a present. Smiley: grin
#14685 Apr 19 2012 at 3:02 PM Rating: Good
All this talk about Dragon Age, between here and the Asylum, has made me fire it up again.

I hate you all for this.
#14686 Apr 19 2012 at 3:06 PM Rating: Good
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You won't be hating us by the time you've played it again, 3 times.

And I saw your present, Pigtails. That looks interesting. It also made me really want to find a mod that has "The Hate Stick" as a weapon.
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Anyways, you all are horrible, @#%^ed up people

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#14687 Apr 19 2012 at 3:23 PM Rating: Good
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I am so bored. Somebody post something entertaining.
#14688 Apr 19 2012 at 3:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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something entertaining.
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#14689 Apr 19 2012 at 3:30 PM Rating: Good
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#14690 Apr 19 2012 at 3:30 PM Rating: Excellent
http://www.rrrrthats5rs.com/games/dont-shoot-the-puppy/
#14691 Apr 19 2012 at 3:45 PM Rating: Good
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I am so bored. Somebody post something entertaining.


You should play Dragon Age. Smiley: grin
#14692 Apr 19 2012 at 3:49 PM Rating: Good
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PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
I am so bored. Somebody post something entertaining.


You should play Dragon Age. Smiley: grin
I tried it, absolutely hate RPG controls and I uninstalled it after an hour or two.
#14693 Apr 19 2012 at 4:11 PM Rating: Good
That is blasphemy. I don't get how you didn't like the controls, given that they are very similar to WoW.
#14694 Apr 19 2012 at 4:22 PM Rating: Good
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Can't remember specifics, just that it felt clumsy and cumbersome to me.
#14695 Apr 19 2012 at 4:23 PM Rating: Excellent
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The whole 'pausing every other second to queue up 4 character's abilities' thing still feels awkward to me. I like how you get both a turn-based feel and a live action feel, but it can be pretty clunky at times.
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#14696 Apr 19 2012 at 4:42 PM Rating: Good
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someproteinguy wrote:
The whole 'pausing every other second to queue up 4 character's abilities' thing still feels awkward to me. I like how you get both a turn-based feel and a live action feel, but it can be pretty clunky at times.
Yeah, see, that makes a game pretty much unplayable for me. Either go turn based OR live action, something in between just frustrates me to no end.
#14697 Apr 19 2012 at 5:00 PM Rating: Good
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
someproteinguy wrote:
The whole 'pausing every other second to queue up 4 character's abilities' thing still feels awkward to me. I like how you get both a turn-based feel and a live action feel, but it can be pretty clunky at times.
Yeah, see, that makes a game pretty much unplayable for me. Either go turn based OR live action, something in between just frustrates me to no end.

If you set up your tactics properly, and don't mind making some poor decisions, then you won't need to pause.
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IDrownFish wrote:
Anyways, you all are horrible, @#%^ed up people

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#14698 Apr 19 2012 at 5:22 PM Rating: Good
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Meh, ***** that. I'll just spam two buttons to turn hordes of zombies into a bloody, gooey mess.
#14699 Apr 19 2012 at 7:05 PM Rating: Good
Chunky salsa is pretty delicious.
#14700 Apr 19 2012 at 8:05 PM Rating: Good
Seriously, the tactics aren't that difficult to set up. And they aren't anywhere near as abusable as they were in FF12.
#14701 Apr 19 2012 at 9:18 PM Rating: Good
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PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
Seriously, the tactics aren't that difficult to set up. And they aren't anywhere near as abusable as they were in FF12.


Though it was infuriating how long you had to wait to get certain important clauses in that game...

Tactics are really dependent on how many abilities you intend to use, your composition, and how many abilities are conditional. Setting up Alistair is fairly simple. As is Wynne, if she's only a healer. But balancing in CC (which I don't recommend doing, because it's so much better to manually choose it, to ensure it's up when you need it), and it gets irritating.

What irritates me, and it totally shouldn't, is that they don't attack your tank's target by default. I know, your tank isn't set. So it's stupid to complain. But I remember getting so annoyed before I really discovered tactics in my first play through.
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Anyways, you all are horrible, @#%^ed up people

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