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#1352 Dec 21 2009 at 1:51 AM Rating: Good
Tanked all of ICC 10 tonight with a Pally. That was so much fun.

Lost the roll on http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50803 which was decidedly less fun considering it's like the best kitty ring in the game right now. :(

In other news.

What dodge nerf? I sat there with more blue text than red going across my screen. Smiley: tongue

Also.

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Edited, Dec 21st 2009 2:56am by Norellicus
#1353 Dec 21 2009 at 10:38 AM Rating: Excellent
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Should I use the Haste trinket for Heroism badges if I am using the Glyph of rapid rejuvenation?


I haven't seen anything describing the affects of the proc'd haste bonus on RJs you already have ticking. But ya, it makes for an interesting consideration.
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#1354 Dec 21 2009 at 1:59 PM Rating: Good
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hmm my natural haste is fairly low because well never had a reason to stack it a lot until now.
#1355 Dec 21 2009 at 2:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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hmm my natural haste is fairly low because well never had a reason to stack it a lot until now.


Ya same here. Though I'll probably steer clear of those haste-procing trinkets myself. I was always terrible at utilizing the proc (it'd be half over before I noticed it!) and the random nature of it is kinda a bummer.

I'm really liking the re-balancing of the spells now that GotEM changed. Before Regrowth was one of those spells that had an odd window of usefulness. Slow steady damage favored Rejuvenation over it, and spike damage favored Nourish, and it's niche was somewhere inbetween for me. Not that this still isn't the case, but it seems it's niche has grown bigger now. I'm guessing I'll find my use of it increasing as I slowly get used to using it, or if I break down and get that Rapid-RJ glyph.

On that topic I'm still thinking about picking Rapid-RJ up. I'd probably be dropping my WG glyph for it. I'd still be wanting Nourish for OT heals and I'm not seeing myself parting with Swiftmend. But we always seems to have a lot of hunters around, and that 6th target on WG helps me when their pets are all swarming around the melee DPS soaking up my healing. :p

*shrugs* we'll see I suppose
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#1356 Dec 21 2009 at 3:43 PM Rating: Good
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Healing + proc trinket = fail.

The only proc I want for my priest is mana return, anything else is just not very useful.
I don't even like on use trinkets for my priest, when I need them I'm too busy healing to think of it and if I'm not completely focused on keeping people up I don't need the proc.

I'll stick with constant, reliable statboosts or mana returns on my trinkets if I can.

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That guy is starting to **** me off.
Out of curiosity, how often did you try so far?

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#1357 Dec 21 2009 at 4:53 PM Rating: Excellent
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I don't even like on use trinkets


Ya, the irony there is that I can never use them when I most want to either.

If I'm still 'ahead' of the damage, and I know the boss is entering a heavy damage phase, I can work a proc trinket into my rotation while I'm pre-HoTing people for the damage spike. So I'll get some use out of it then.

Too often though something unexpected will happen, like losing a healer, and I'll be struggling like crazy trying to keep everyone up. If I remember I'll glance longing over at a +spellpower boost I could desperately use right now, but won't have a chance to trigger.
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#1358 Dec 21 2009 at 7:27 PM Rating: Good
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I got me a nice +armor-on-use trinket which fits nicely into my Barkskin cooldown. It's the ToC10 Frostborn one. If I pop that one and Black Heart procs, I have 43k armor.

By the way, how come T9 Feral gear has yellow sockets? WTB blue sockets for +30 stam, kthx. Also, anyone else feeling a little shafted lately? So I walk into ICC10 and notice that my avoidance has been cut in half. So I look over on my co-tank, a Paladin, and notice that while he practically can't dodge anything anymore, he still has 40% block chance.

What the hell? They think 10k health and Savage Defense is all that?
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#1359 Dec 21 2009 at 11:09 PM Rating: Good
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Tried it for around 30 minutes off and on. Damn ***** wont take her fuc&ing shirt off.

I agree with non-mana proc trinkets sucking for healing. A tanking on use that can be tied to an osh!t button or a DPS one for a go apesh!t CD are easier to utilize. I like stable trinkets for healing as the randomness is too often wasted and remembering an on-use while scrambling to keep people up is annoying as it adds a button to push which slows the healing.

Maz, socket bonuses are there to trick baddies. ICC is very avoidance friendly, if your HP is enough think of going to Shifting(+agi/stam) gems.


On a hilarious side note. To pass a drug test my roommate is having a friend pee in a jar and then he is going to put the urine in a rubber and jock it up to use to pass the test tomorrow.
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#1360 Dec 22 2009 at 3:42 AM Rating: Good
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Beef jerky, beer and toothpicks.

I think I'm in heaven, well except for the lack on nekkid ladies.
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#1361 Dec 22 2009 at 8:59 AM Rating: Good
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Beef jerky, beer and toothpicks.

I think I'm in heaven, well except for the lack on nekkid ladies.


Still haven't figured out that video, huh?
#1362 Dec 22 2009 at 9:13 AM Rating: Good
At this point I'm convinced it's an inside joke to make people think it can be beaten, I've tried every combination of clicks, key presses, and waiting that I can muster. Smiley: mad
#1363 Dec 22 2009 at 10:42 AM Rating: Good
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Smiley: lolSmiley: laughSmiley: lol

'nuff said.
#1364 Dec 22 2009 at 11:54 AM Rating: Excellent
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What the hell? They think 10k health and Savage Defense is all that?


On the bright side it made movement a lot simpler. No need to worry about the damage spike from mobs smacking your backside as you run/turn. The negation of that 15% dodge I had while in my stamina set in ICC was barely noticeable. :D
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#1365 Dec 22 2009 at 12:12 PM Rating: Good
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Also, anyone else feeling a little shafted lately? So I walk into ICC10 and notice that my avoidance has been cut in half.


You don't notice it.

No, seriously. I dodged SO MUCH tanking ICC 10. Like I'd only take 1 in every 4 saber lashes, and I was only taking steady damage on saurfang once I got marked.

Keep in mind too that block is more mitigation than avoidance. You can null an attack with enough BV but you aren't actually avoiding anything, and you aren't likely nulling a full boss hit without losing a lot of other stats.

Dodge isn't any less useful now than it was before, just our net worth of it is a bit lower. You still dodge like mad.

Check out WOL from my 10
, I didn't get the Saurfang fight (was having connection problems, wanted to cut out any possible causes) but if you look at Marrowgar you see I took a LOT less damage on Saber Lash than the pally, and a lot less melee damage on Deathwhisper. If paladin was advantaged here you should see it in the numbers.
#1366 Dec 23 2009 at 11:10 AM Rating: Excellent
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Just thought I'd say Merry Christmas to all you druids out there!

Have a good holiday! :D
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#1367 Dec 23 2009 at 11:01 PM Rating: Good
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Is the Executioner Enchant viable for a Armor Pen build?
#1368 Dec 24 2009 at 4:45 AM Rating: Excellent
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Only if you can't afford or can't get Berserking. You would need to have enough passive ArP to be almost at the cap for 120 ArP to be worth more than 400 AP.
#1369 Dec 24 2009 at 5:33 AM Rating: Good
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AstarintheDruid wrote:
Only if you can't afford or can't get Berserking. You would need to have enough passive ArP to be almost at the cap for 120 ArP to be worth more than 400 AP.


Are you close to 1200 ArP?

If not go with AP.

The ArP cap is 1400 as an FYI.

Maybe over 1100 passive ArP and it is worth it.
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#1370 Dec 24 2009 at 7:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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Just to add, now that I'm home and have time to kill, Rawr puts the break even point at around 1200 passive ArP.
#1371 Dec 25 2009 at 2:16 AM Rating: Good
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#1372 Dec 25 2009 at 7:25 AM Rating: Good
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AstarintheDruid wrote:
Just to add, now that I'm home and have time to kill, Rawr puts the break even point at around 1200 passive ArP.
Yeah, good luck getting that without gimping other stats too much.
#1373 Dec 27 2009 at 5:09 AM Rating: Good
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
AstarintheDruid wrote:
Just to add, now that I'm home and have time to kill, Rawr puts the break even point at around 1200 passive ArP.
Yeah, good luck getting that without gimping other stats too much.


It isn't that hard to get with the 25 man gear. It comes with ArP up the *****

Plus trinkets and weapons with big ArP help.

With only reliable access to 10 man gear yes it will be harder to reach high levels of ArP.
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#1374 Dec 27 2009 at 6:19 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah I think leather has more ArP, seeing how my hunter has about 50% passive ArP in 245 gear.

Edit: And I don't gem for it, that'll make a difference too.

Edited, Dec 27th 2009 1:24pm by Aethien
#1375 Dec 29 2009 at 9:25 AM Rating: Good
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Christ, I leave the board for a week and miss out on all kinds of awesome. xromania having another fit and being unrated, Arex quitting the club and almost an entire page in this thread. Smiley: frown

Back on the topic of ICC10, with the aura taking off 20% dodge (leaving me with about 20%), wasn't there being talked about the damage taken from ICC would be less spiky? I'm assuming faster hits for less damage would be the solution, which would, I guess (suck at math), make those remaining 20% dodge count for more than 40% against a boss that only hits you half as much, but twice as hard, right?

So my 20% dodge in ICC is equal to 40% dodge in ToC in terms of survivability?

That said, what's enough health for switching gems to Shifting? I currently have 38k unbuffed in Bear form in my raid gear. I sacrifice some health to get additional dodge there or I could hit 40k unbuffed. I'm in mostly in Conquest T9 (ya, I know, I need more off-set pieces) and I can't see myself getting Frost emblems soon for a new cloak, which is the most obvious upgrade.

Armory.

Question is, should I focus on getting T9 off-set pieces and start gemming with Shifting instead of Solid? Right now I'm using a mix of both to get socket bonuses (it's agility so I might as well).

The reason I'm getting nervous here is because I've done ICC with a Paladin in equal gear and almost equal health values. Since health and dodge is what we've got going for us, I figured I should start to worry about it now.
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#1376 Dec 29 2009 at 9:44 AM Rating: Good
I love a good temper tantrum turned unrated poster, where can I find it?

Edit so I'm not doubleposting: And I'm looking for a guild again, if anybody needs a lonely bear+cat. Mine is just a lot more stress than it's worth for as little raiding as I get to do.

Edited, Dec 29th 2009 10:52am by Norellicus
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