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#12927 Feb 05 2012 at 3:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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#12928 Feb 05 2012 at 3:19 PM Rating: Good
So my classmate just asked me to get him an arranged marriage. What the...
#12929 Feb 05 2012 at 3:29 PM Rating: Good
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So my classmate just asked me to get him an arranged marriage. What the...
What do you do to end up with all the weird people?
#12930 Feb 05 2012 at 3:31 PM Rating: Good
It's not all that weird. It's kind of a normal thing in some places, you know?

I might also have found a way to get an arranged marriage with the person I want to marry anyway myself. Happy. Smiley: smile
I just hope it works...
#12931 Feb 05 2012 at 3:44 PM Rating: Good
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It's more the fact that he asked you to set it up that makes me think he's weird.
Also, I'm pretty sure that both Andrew and I count as weird as well and with the endless amount of stories you have about ex boyfriends and whatnot...



So I have to ask, how do you do that?
#12932 Feb 05 2012 at 4:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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Just like that? Find a goat and put a veil on it. Presto.
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#12933 Feb 05 2012 at 4:48 PM Rating: Good
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Arranged marriage.

What could possibly go wrong?
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#12934 Feb 05 2012 at 5:14 PM Rating: Good
Fact of the matter is, I've got pretty good connections for finding respectable Pakistani girls. I've also got access to people who arrange marriages all the time. I'm also probably the female he is closest to at the moment, which means I have the best idea what sort of wife he should go for.

And honestly, less than with love marriages. Obviously you need to decide this on a case by case basis and have a decent matchmaker, but arranged marriages tend to go pretty well in comparison. and not just because of social stigma, I know a lot of couples who were either completely arranged or had a mix (i.e. the sort of thing I'm going for - ensuring that I'm good enough for him that his family can get good references) and none of them seem unhappy with it. Of course it can go wrong, but man I've seen so many people crash and burn because they had the notion they knew who was a good partner for them. Percentage wise, a lot more.
#12935 Feb 05 2012 at 5:16 PM Rating: Good
As for how I do that, I tend to get along better with weird people. Because I'm weird. Smiley: tongue
#12936 Feb 05 2012 at 6:11 PM Rating: Good
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Smiley: dubious

A lot of "love marriages" go wrong, sure, but only because of a little thing we like to call free will over here. What happens to women who decide to leave their husbands over there? Now tell me again that's not a primary reason for the high arranged marriages success rate.

Anyway, we can argue this all night and I see no reason to because none of us are going to change our minds. Don't argue religion, politics and horses with friends. We're moving into two of those things here. Smiley: tongue

I just hope you know what you're heading into. I'd hate to have to fly to Pakistan and murder some dude in his sleep because he had you killed, or whatever, for wanting to divorce him.
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#12937 Feb 05 2012 at 6:54 PM Rating: Good
I'm actually talking arranged marriage in Europe, mostly. I don't exactly know anyone over there well enough to know how happy they are in their marriage.

Also, specifically in Islam divorce laws for women aren't much different from the ones you get in the West while ones for men are. People taking the religion and making up weird fiqh to match their warped gender role ideas are obviously a problem, but that's not really governed by whether a marriage is arranged. Honestly if you have an actual forced marriage I'd say there's at least a 90% chance the person doing the forcing is a woman herself.

Plus he's so damn opposed to live outside Europe if he can help it I suspect we're not gonna have to deal with that. Smiley: lol

Also, and I can't stress this enough, there's a huge difference between arranged marriage and forced marriage. People don't ask their well connected female friends to find a wife for them if they don't want to, especially not over 2 years before the expected wedding date.
#12938 Feb 05 2012 at 8:06 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah, my bad, I was thinking forced marriage. We only use one word for it here and that's arranged marriage. I guess if both parties want an arranged marriage then that changes things. It would be like an extreme version of a matchmaking date show.

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Honestly if you have an actual forced marriage I'd say there's at least a 90% chance the person doing the forcing is a woman herself.


I'm sorry, but I've never, ever heard of a woman who had her parents force a man to marry her. 90% of the forced marriages we hear about here consist of some family giving away their daughter without her true consent (she might agree to it out of fear, or indoctrination). When she then tries to leave her husband, or has an affair, or whatever, she ends up dead and the husband and his family (sometimes her family) end up in jail.

Maybe we just get all the religious/old-fashioned freaks, but honor killings seem to be pretty popular in the same circles that practice forced marriage.

Edit: I'm not afraid to admit that my lack of understanding is likely fueled by ignorance since I don't have a lot of contact with that culture. I did not know about the Islamic divorce laws, but now that I do, I find them quite remarkable.

Edited, Feb 6th 2012 3:18am by Mazra
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#12939 Feb 06 2012 at 3:48 AM Rating: Good
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Kalivha wrote:
Also, and I can't stress this enough, there's a huge difference between arranged marriage and forced marriage. People don't ask their well connected female friends to find a wife for them if they don't want to, especially not over 2 years before the expected wedding date.
I can't help but find planning a date for a wedding before you know someone you want to marry an utterly retarded idea.


Also, what constitutes a successful marriage? My parents were married for about 12 years and in that time they managed to produce 4 kids with only 1 crazy in there, I'd say that's pretty successful. Smiley: tongue
#12940 Feb 06 2012 at 4:22 AM Rating: Good
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#12941 Feb 06 2012 at 6:07 AM Rating: Good
Maz, I just wrote a long *** paragraph about Sharia but really it's a lot worse in theory than it is in practice and I mean Saudi royalty is known for not actually caring about Islam much, like what is up with having 17 wives?

And I say it's forced by women because honestly guys have almost no say in the whole arranged marriage stuff because of religious restrictions (funny how that happens). I don't know how exactly it works with Hindus but they seem to have similar traditions.

The kind of Hindu girl snatched off the street, forced to accept Islam and then marry some random guy story is just so weird to me because one of the core principles of Islam is that it can't be forced on people. And if you follow through with that, the guys can't marry the girls because they're kafirs. Which means none of it is valid and that's pretty obvious so I'm not sure how they can even do that and get away with it. Smiley: frown

I don't know, I guess you have a point, Æth. I was thinking more along the lines of "if there's a crisis in the relationship, work on it till it gets better". Obviously isn't gonna work every time, but maybe if you didn't go into marriage fancying the pants off each other it's actually easier to do that.
#12942 Feb 06 2012 at 6:45 AM Rating: Good
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That's like saying that since there isn't much to begin with at least it can't get worse, sure that may make it easier to solve problems but not for a reason I see as good.

Edited, Feb 6th 2012 4:30pm by Aethien
#12943 Feb 06 2012 at 8:48 AM Rating: Good
Honestly, a lot of negative reaction to arranged marriage is kind of a knee-jerk reaction. There's just kind of a stigma associated with it in the West.

As you've described it, it sounds a lot like a blind date to me, though much more permanent. That's just a LOT of faith to put in the matchmaker, and I don't know if I could make that leap.
Edit: typing this from a phone is a derp.

Edited, Feb 6th 2012 9:50am by IDrownFish
#12944 Feb 06 2012 at 11:23 AM Rating: Good
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That's like saying that since there isn't much to begin with at least it can't get worse, sure that may make it easier to solve problems but not for a reason I see as good.


It's not. It's about the fact that once the NRE wears off, if you have no idea what's happening to you there's a good chance you will not know how to deal with the fact that the relationship isn't awesome shiny anymore, but rather just reality.

If you start out with reality and then get to love each other from there (something I believe is actually kind of likely to happen if the people suggesting the match weren't complete morons) it seems like a more stable situation.

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As you've described it, it sounds a lot like a blind date to me, though much more permanent. That's just a LOT of faith to put in the matchmaker, and I don't know if I could make that leap.


I know... obviously (depending on your family) you'll have anything from 2 hours to a few years to get to know the person and can then go from there, or they'll suggest someone you know anyway and you'll have an easy time answering.

The thing is that in cultures where parents arrange the marriages (i.e. South Asia and such) people are almost always really ******* close to their parents so there's enough of a relationship to know what the children want; and you can always make demands (anything from skin colour to which Linux distro the girl uses, heh) which together with the actual experience mothers tend to have is going to give pretty decent chances. Plus it keeps people from running off with some hobo they fancy, I guess. Smiley: lol I've done that one too often.

In cultures where you pay a professional to make the match (e.g. Japan), it's basically the same as dating websites, just with a wedding kind of early on. And I assume professionals at least have a bit of an idea what they are doing.
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#12946 Feb 06 2012 at 11:34 AM Rating: Good
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#12947 Feb 06 2012 at 12:00 PM Rating: Good
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That's like saying that since there isn't much to begin with at least it can't get worse, sure that may make it easier to solve problems but not for a reason I see as good.


It's not. It's about the fact that once the NRE wears off, if you have no idea what's happening to you there's a good chance you will not know how to deal with the fact that the relationship isn't awesome shiny anymore, but rather just reality.

If you start out with reality and then get to love each other from there (something I believe is actually kind of likely to happen if the people suggesting the match weren't complete morons) it seems like a more stable situation.


You're comparing two extremes, though. Sometimes, just sometimes, people who fall in love actually stay together. Chances are, if two people can't stay together out of love then they'll not stay together in an arranged marriage either. I mean, if the relationship, by definition, is doomed the second this so-called NRE wears off, what about a relationship where there's no NRE to begin with?

And before we start citing divorce figures, let's agree that it's a problem with the people involved in the marriage, not the marriage system itself, and combining two bad people (bad in the sense that they do not fit) is going to fail regardless of the way they're combined.

Edited, Feb 6th 2012 7:01pm by Mazra
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#12948 Feb 06 2012 at 12:17 PM Rating: Good
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This is the funniest thing I've seen in quite a while. Probably because I can imagine myself doing that and the mental image made me almost fall off my chair laughing.


edit: Diggory, would you go straight for this chick?

Edited, Feb 5th 2012 10:22pm by Aethien


It would be too awkward. I'd think "You're all clear kid, now let's blow this thing and go home!" every time...
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#12949 Feb 06 2012 at 12:21 PM Rating: Excellent
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It would be too awkward. I'd think "I bet her thermal exhaust port is two meters wide, and I could maneuver straight down her trench and easily bullseye her womp rat with my T-15" every time ...


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#12950 Feb 06 2012 at 12:42 PM Rating: Good
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You're comparing two extremes, though. Sometimes, just sometimes, people who fall in love actually stay together. Chances are, if two people can't stay together out of love then they'll not stay together in an arranged marriage either. I mean, if the relationship, by definition, is doomed the second this so-called NRE wears off, what about a relationship where there's no NRE to begin with?

And before we start citing divorce figures, let's agree that it's a problem with the people involved in the marriage, not the marriage system itself, and combining two bad people (bad in the sense that they do not fit) is going to fail regardless of the way they're combined.


I never said love marriages are doomed every single time. I'm planning one for myself, after all. Smiley: tongue

You've got both kinds of marriages with people who marry after knowing each other 2 weeks and people who take years of living together before they actually decide. This depends on other factors, but at least in the former case it's probably better to have family/whoever check up on the intended partner in advance. For the latter, it doesn't matter which way it's done, I guess.
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It would be too awkward. I'd think "I bet her thermal exhaust port is two meters wide, and I could maneuver straight down her trench and easily bullseye her womp rat with my T-15" every time ...



I'm going to work that into a casual conversation soon.

Edited, Feb 6th 2012 8:53am by Horsemouth
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