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I must be missing a joke there...or are you referring to the ridiculous sums of dps that can be done when you aren't having to run around/waste cp?

Horse, you would gain ~50dps from switching to agility, it would make your rotation slightly easier due to more crit meaning more cp's. Honestly, it's not worth spending money on as an offset and since a lot of the upgrades from ToC as well as the Tier pieces have ArP, it's really not worth it to you to re-gem for the time being since you'll end up upgrading to more ArP anyway in the future.

The point where ArP is better than Agil is around 700ish now, so you're still a little under but the gain as I said was minimal in switching back.

This is why I prep myself with a Savage roar as the mob gets to 20% and just go back to killing the boss. Of course this depends on how fast it went to 20%, but if it's quick, I like to let ranged finish it off while I go back to the boss with my 5cp savage roar up so I can get my rotation set back up faster.

Fights like Emalon irritate the **** out of me. I don't even bother switching on Jaraxxus :P

I'll update the sticky this after noon. have to run into town for a bit.

Was hoping you would lie and tell me it was ok to keep gemming ArP. I'll hold off on gemming those shoulders for now and see if I get some new DPS stuff in the next few weeks. I likely wont have to DPS where my DPS matters any time soon. Hopefully I can get some big ArP stuff so I can be lazy and keep gemming ArP.

drunk sticky updates is exactly what this forum needs. itll weed out in insipid, likely because theyre afraid horse is going to come beat them while in his drunken stupor while i hold them down.

cause we're hardcore like that.

Updated the ArP section. Was involved and I had to read up on ArP again. For like the 5th time.

Anyway what does everyone think about Haste?

I have my opinion on its usefulness as a DPS stat and I am curious as to what others think.

Also as part of the haste opinion poll pick a gem +10 Agi/+10 Haste or +10 Agi/+10 Crit.

I meant haste and feral DPS.

Haste is great for boomkins.

More opinions. Anyone?

You have the 75% for FB, 76% for white hits (24% glancing blows) and 100% for your other yellow attacks. All assuming you are Hit & Expertise capped.

Unfortunately, your crit% is a hard thing to pin down. If you have things like DC:Greatness or Deaths Choice/Verdict then you need to factor their procs in. Also, there are plenty of buff/debuff factors as well. Way too much maths for me :)

Astrylian is working on implementing factoring in the various crit caps into a future version of Rawr as it certainly appears we will be riding these caps in Icecrown. I myself go with the Agi/Crit for a couple of reasons - (i) More combo points makes the rotation easier to maintain and also allows more FB usage (ii) I love big numbers :)



Edited, Oct 15th 2009 7:26am by RareBeast

Edited, Oct 15th 2009 7:26am by RareBeast

People that have made answers to my feral haste question, what gear level are you at? It matters.

I'm teh king brah, there is no number high enough for mah gear rating.

Just curious as the relative value of haste increases as gear improves. Especially when you start getting all ToC geared out for DPS.

Mainly do to the fact that crit will be pushing the cap when exiting Ulduar. This is do to the additional 6% chances that OoC will proc on white attacks. OoC procs are in general a huge DPS increase. This also gives hit/exp a higher gear rating when compared to lower gear levels.

When I was bored and reading up on cat stuff the other day I came across the updated FbN rankings and they had haste above crit. I had been wondering about the power of haste for a little while before coming across the data. Mainly due to slapping a +something or other haste enchant on my PvP back, my enchanter was leveling and made some scrolls and my normal enchant guy wasn't on. The question had started to cook in my brain also when I was seeing myself having a high crit chance even in relatively sub-par gear compared to a feral that focused on DPS gear.

The slow but inevitable push towards the crit cap eventually forces crit downward as a valued stat while pushing haste/hit/exp higher. Hit/exp get pushed up mainly to force crit and glancing blow as the only 2 options on the attack table. When that starts to happen or even when the regular hit section becomes small, the relative value of adding crit becomes lesser do to DRs. This forces another stat to emerge, haste being the main option. Haste has the added benefit, as previously stated, of pushing out more OoC procs.

As the proc is a flat 6% per white attack increasing haste will increase procs. OoC is in general the equivalent of 42 energy. This energy can then be used on finishers as opposed to Shred. It becomes even more valuable when trying to cram FB into a tight rotation. Crits on OoC procs become even more powerful and with a high crit chance more likely.

So in summation. Haste is your friend. While at my current DPS gear level I would go with +agi/+crit if I had focused on DPS gear more throughout Ulduar and was continuing to do so as I acquire ToC gear I would likely pick +agi/+haste.