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From what all our tanks say, taunt does nothing at all in 25 ToGC. All they can do is deathgrip them out from the casters etc. I hate the stupid fight on hard mode (easy is bearable). I don't PvP other than a little bit of stuffing around in BG's very rarely. The arena playing members of the raid grip are wanting me to go bear and bash heals and cyclone another target while still DPSing. I'm too old and slow for that crap - it's why I don't do arenas. I work hard on my PvE DPS and am good at it, arenas are a whole different playstyle and I don't want to go there. So why is that playstyle being forced down my throat?

Oh, so it's not a real PvP encounter, more like a PvP-PvE encounter with NPCs that act like players?

Sounds easy enough then. Unless they do massive damage.

ToC 25 it's not too bad, but on ToGC 25, any of the melee classes can blow up a clothie in just a couple seconds. You can't just tank any of the mobs, bcause taunt only lasts a coupe seconds, has an 8 sec CD, and has normal PvP DR. Also, the mobs will seemingly randomly switch targets. The holy pally will BoP someone that gets low (maybe the ret pally too), the shamans keep tremor totem up and use heroism, all of them use their CC pretty effectively, the hunter keeps frost traps down...

I didn't, and I understand what you are trying to say but there is still a difference between the all in, wtf style of the faction champs and regular CC in a dungeon...

Unless you are referring to a specific boss that was different?

Ahh, the good old days of CC.

Remember when you wanted to bring at least a Rogue and Mage in your group so you could Sap 'n' Sheep?

Yeah, BC was all about CC.

I remember in Slave Pens, that pull after the giant lobster dude, after you of course skipped part of it by jumping off the bridge, was the nastiest pull in all the heroics.

CC going everywhere, CC failing, a mage running for dear life screaming at the top of his lungs as a naga lodges his weapon into his skull. Tanks blowing taunts left and right, and then dps dying because they were out of taunts for the CC targets.

Or in SSC in the first couple pulls where a missed cc meant some people met their untimely deaths.

I remember wiping in the first few pull of TK because of a missed cc, or someone breaking a sheep.

This is why for my guild who has been raiding since BC together, got to faction champs el oh el'd our way through it cause our mages and hunters knew what they were doing. We didn't have rogues back then and we still hardly have rogues :(

Oh, and you couldn't entangling roots things indoors. Yeah.... That was a blast. (BTW when that changed I was so happy I almost started crying because druids finally got a cc that was reliable, cause cyclone sucked as cc back then, and still does in pve)

Edit: Oh and I forgot, I can still hear my gm saying "Alright, shackle star."

Edited, Oct 13th 2009 7:59am by ArexLovesPie

The usual argument is "But they are good for hunters..." On thottbot it is quite funny seeing the reaction from people when they see something written along the same lines as that about an item :)

honestly, i blame a combination of paladins and blizzards desire to "even the playing field" between all classes.

first, the paladins...they made life in late BC easy mode. the old joke of the pallytank who marks the boss with a skull as soon as he enters the instance and says "ok, go" isnt too far off the mark. people begged for pally tanks later on in BC because they could waltz into an instance regardless of class composition (just needed a healer) and tank everything effortlessly. for dps classes that lacked CC, such as dps warriors, druids, other paladins, and sucky warlocks, this was a godsend! no longer did you need to choose your instance group dps based on the CC they added. no longer did a clueless dps who couldnt CC bring a group down. you grabbed mr. pallytank, a good healer, two other dps of any class and off you go.

so, naturally, when wrath came out, blizz abandoned their idea of "niche" tanking (pallys as aoe, wars as single target, druids as a mix with pure hp/armor) in order to "normalize" raid encounters. they did this with raid buffs too. the problem is, it required each tank being elevated to the level of the pally tank when it came to aoe...or at least being passable when specced correctly and played right. thats great from a raid perspective, but for 5-mans the fallout meant you had four tank classes all capable of holding aoe threat off of healers without an issue, and, when given a few seconds (something even stupid trigger happy dps somehow manage to be able to do) are capable of keeping aggro from a whole group in time for it to be aoe'd down.

this also, again, has the side effect of increasing the relative value of "non-cc" dps classes. bringing a shadow priest over a mage is no longer a liability because the priest has no reliable CC. and so on and so forth.

incidentally, this also means when you *do* find a dps class that knows how to CC...man life gets much better. we have a mage in our guild who's a former grand marshal, great at pvp, and i know, on a gut, instinctual level, that if we are in pvp and i see a healer off in the corner with glowy hands, that said healer is going to be a sheep in approximately 1.25s (said mage stacks haste). said healer will then stay a sheep for as long as DR allows, followed by a deep freeze and a counterspell to another sheep cycle. its a thing of beauty.

that a good thing or a bad thing? like, are you happy that you no longer have to work with those ********* or is the lack of money going to hurt more than anything?

regardless, that just means you leave 3-4 of these in various places after you're gone:

http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/electronic/8c52/

It's not even so much that AoE threat is easier. In BC, heroic mobs hit HARD. You didn't need CC to keep mobs from aggroing the healer, you needed CC to keep the tank from getting wtfPWND. Once you were in t5+ gear, druids could AoE tank heroics almost as well as a pally. I only bothered with CC on pulls with more than 4 or 5 mobs. Now in WotLK, you can AoE tank any single heroic pull in i187 to 200 blues. When you're in t8 or t9, you can pull 4 or 5 groups at once with a decent healer.

9388 dps on twins tonight. It was our second toc 25 man run for the night and our main dk was on his priest, and our warrior was on our gm's priest and I was getting chain PI's.

Oh and I got another trophy, and ****** over on the blade of tarasque :( stupid ******* mage and his ******* 5 man toc ******* caster pokey dagger thing.

So I logged in DPS gear.

I am mid way between ArP and Agi. I rarely get DPS stuff but when I do it tends to be the really good sh*t.

Should I plunk a ArP or Agi gem in the shoulders? By strict ArP standards it would be Agi but the way my DPS upgrades go it is big jumps as I get them after the DPS don't want them.

I'm very tempted top stay ArP. Shifting to all Agi would give me better DPS but for off-spec that is too expensive. So I am thinking of staying ArP.

Opinions.

edit: the spec doubles as my PvP spec.

Edited, Oct 14th 2009 4:38am by Horsemouth