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#5602 May 03 2011 at 8:27 PM Rating: Good

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Kalivha wrote:

To be fair, I haven't left the country since I moved back from the US. I haven't left the Schengen area (or even the EU) since then.

Health care in the Netherlands isn't free. It's just really cheap. In the UK and a few other places like Sweden, it's included in your taxes. I think if you're not a UK/EU-EEA citizen you have slightly less access to it here (mostly you won't be able to claim cosmetic surgery and stuff), but it's still a lot better than it is for you now, I imagine.

You don't actually speak Dutch, do you? It wouldn't be a problem as far as finding work goes, but it probably would be if you wanted citizenship. In that respect, the UK is better, you are a native speaker in the national language! ;)
I should convince you to come to Scotland. :D

I don't speak Dutch, no. The closest thing to a second language I have is French, and I didn't retain much of it. I'm sure if I lived in a country though, it'd be a lot easier to learn the language due to immersion and all that. I don't have the talent for learning languages that you do, but I don't do too badly. Plus really cheap is a whole lot better than what I'm dealing with here. My mom currently pays my health insurance for me, because she's paranoid and I can't pay it myself. But she spends close to $200 a month, and the blasted stuff doesn't even cover the cost of my antidepressants. It's stupid.

Definitely not opposed to living in Scotland, especially since I have a huge thing for the accents. :D

#5603 May 04 2011 at 12:57 AM Rating: Good

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I really like the student financing system here.
Every student gets free public transport on weekdays and a base stufi, on top of that you get more for not living with your parents and an extra amount depending on your parents income and on top of that you can loan some more to close gaps.

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UK citizenship requires you to live in the country for 3 years, pay Â£1000, pass a test and swear to the crown. I might still get it if I'm still here in 2016.

4 years here and I'm pretty sure you need to follow some sort of course about our language and history. (yay naval battles with the English and the Spanish, colonial expansion, the first ever multinational, building New Amsterdam (now Manhattan) and starting the large scale slavery that made America rich.)

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I just want to live somewhere where everyone has health care when they need it, the government doesn't try to tell me what I can and can't do with my body, and I won't be judged so harshly for my religious and relationship choices. Plus I do believe that the Netherlands is the one country where multiple marriages are legal. That's definitely a huge plus for me considering I'm poly.

Sorry to disappoint you but you can't marry multiple people here, you can enter some sort of contract I think (similar to what Gbaji and Alma blabber on about in all the gay marriage threads).
On the plus side, multiple relationships aren't such a taboo.
As for religion, there aren't many religious people under 60 left in this country ad the religious people we still have aren't very strict. The amount of bible thumpers we have are probably measured in the thousands (out of 16.5 million)

Kalivha wrote:

Health care in the Netherlands isn't free. It's just really cheap. In the UK and a few other places like Sweden, it's included in your taxes. I think if you're not a UK/EU-EEA citizen you have slightly less access to it here (mostly you won't be able to claim cosmetic surgery and stuff), but it's still a lot better than it is for you now, I imagine.

You don't actually speak Dutch, do you? It wouldn't be a problem as far as finding work goes, but it probably would be if you wanted citizenship. In that respect, the UK is better, you are a native speaker in the national language! ;)
I should convince you to come to Scotland. :D

Basic healthcare is about â‚¬90-100/month and the government gives me â‚¬60/month to help pay for it so I end up spending â‚¬30/month on healthcare which covers all the basic things minus the first â‚¬175 (I think) that counts as your own risk which prevents people from clogging up the doctor's office for every little thing.

As for the language, when Kali was here all the people in shops and such spoke English to her when they heard us speak English Smiley: lol

Edited, May 4th 2011 9:06am by Aethien

#5604 May 04 2011 at 3:54 AM Rating: Good

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Maybe it was the contract thing that I heard about then. I don't remember, it was a couple years ago I think.

In any case though, the idea of me moving anywhere besides maybe Canada is just a pipe dream anyways. I doubt I'd be able to even afford the plane tickets, let alone the cost of moving all my stuff over seas.

#5605 May 04 2011 at 4:12 AM Rating: Good

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I guess if I'd move across an ocean I'd sell everything non essential and take as little with me as possible, then go and buy "new" stuff at a thrift store or something.
And I don't think I'd move anywhere before I've been there on vacation or something anyway. Got to know what you're getting into.

Still, plane tickets suck if you need to cross an ocean.

#5606 May 04 2011 at 6:04 AM Rating: Good

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Yeah, that's probably what I'd end up doing. Although I'd really miss my computer and my 42 inch HD LCD TV. =x

Plane tickets suck in general. Even tickets to San Diego, which is about 1200 miles south from here and where a lot of my family live, they run about $300 round trip.

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Yeah, checking out the place before you move is hugely important.

And selling stuff is good. It's ridiculous, I've tried to not buy any stuff, but with people giving me gifts and such I end up having more than I did 2 years ago anyway. Smiley: glare

#5608 May 04 2011 at 7:44 AM Rating: Good

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Yeah, that's probably what I'd end up doing. Although I'd really miss my computer and my 42 inch HD LCD TV. =x

Plane tickets suck in general. Even tickets to San Diego, which is about 1200 miles south from here and where a lot of my family live, they run about $300 round trip.

You'd have to shell out quite a bit of cash just to afford a reliable voltage converter for each of those anyway.

Plane tickets between European nations are ludicrously cheap to us. Especially since, as you note, just moving between mainland locations within the US (not counting Alaska) is not that affordable. And we don't even have good train systems to make up for it...

As for moving overseas, I wouldn't do it unless I had a definite job lined up. Though, there are organizations that focus on finding positions for teachers from other countries, which is good.

One thing that would suck, though, is that I'd already be broke from moving and then have to convert the rest of my cash to pounds. That would be unpleasant.

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#5609 May 04 2011 at 7:54 AM Rating: Good

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Yeah, plane tickets within Europe are cheap, but you can't take much luggage. You pay something like Â£12 per extra kilo once you're over a certain limit.

I'll be moving by train, I get 34% off all train tickets, luckily.

#5610 May 04 2011 at 8:24 AM Rating: Good

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Luckily, I love trains.

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#5611 May 04 2011 at 9:38 AM Rating: Good

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Yeah, that's probably what I'd end up doing. Although I'd really miss my computer and my 42 inch HD LCD TV. =x

Plane tickets suck in general. Even tickets to San Diego, which is about 1200 miles south from here and where a lot of my family live, they run about $300 round trip.

As idiggory said, your TV would be useless here because of different power sockets. Not to mention that it would be cheaper to sell it and buy a new TV instead of paying shipping.
And with 1200 miles pretty much gets you from here to Portugal. Stuff is a lot further apart in the US so that probably increases the price.

As for a job, if you can speak Dutch you'd pretty much be hired as an English teacher at a highschool. There's a huge shortage of teachers here. Then again, it's a pretty badly paid job. Smiley: tongue

So anyway, are we convincing Pigtails to go couch surfing around Europe now? Smiley: laugh

#5612 May 04 2011 at 9:49 AM Rating: Good

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Hah, teachers in Europe are much better paid than in the US!

Also, I don't... my Dutch is nowhere near good enough to actually pass any tests with it, at least not at the moment. I'll probably still do one semester in Amsterdam postgrad, but that's a different matter altogether.

And I don't mind trains. UK trains are usually **** but when going up to Scotland you at least have a chance to get free wifi on some of them. I do sort of mind having to go twice to get my most important stuff up there. :P

#5613 May 04 2011 at 9:55 AM Rating: Good

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Kalivha wrote:

Hah, teachers in Europe are much better paid than in the US!

Also, I don't... my Dutch is nowhere near good enough to actually pass any tests with it, at least not at the moment. I'll probably still do one semester in Amsterdam postgrad, but that's a different matter altogether.

And I don't mind trains. UK trains are usually sh*t but when going up to Scotland you at least have a chance to get free wifi on some of them. I do sort of mind having to go twice to get my most important stuff up there. :P

If you think UK trains are bad, trust me, you don't know what bad is.

#5614 May 04 2011 at 10:01 AM Rating: Good

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See, we complain about Dutch trains all the time because they suck.
And Dutch trains are still great and cheap compared to British trains.

#5615 May 04 2011 at 10:33 AM Rating: Good

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British trains are probably the worst in Western Europe.

Irish trains might be worse, but Ireland is... not as perfect as people make it out to be, or so I hear.

#5616 May 04 2011 at 10:37 AM Rating: Good

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Huh, they changed the PTR description of the changes after some whinning:

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Insect Swarm now generates 8 Lunar Energy for Balance Druids.
Moonfire now generates 8 Solar Power for Balance Druids.
Sunfire now generates 8 Lunar Energy for Balance Druids.

So, it seens that DoTs will generate Energy, even if you are not in Eclipse. Wich isn't so bad in the end, and in fights that are simpler it might be a dps boost. If you keep in mind that it might be better to cast MF to get to Eclipse when you are really near it instead of wasting energy in nukes, it migt be a dps boost too. Still, it's an unecessary overcomplication of Moonkin rotation.

The movement problem still applies, since you might end up out of Eclipse if you keep casting MF buffed by Lunar Shower, and to clip a Eclipsed DoT is a dps loss.

And the overcomplication on AoE got even worst now. You should multi-dot, even if you have Eclipse, but you dont want to DoT out of Eclipse. So, you will dot while you have more than 8 Eclipse power, then you will keep using WM/Starfall/Typhoon/Hurricane.

****, Blizzard really loves to do the exact opposite what they say.

#5617 May 04 2011 at 10:45 AM Rating: Good

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Our subway is run by a computer.

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#5618 May 04 2011 at 10:48 AM Rating: Good

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I'm a horrible, horrible fanboy.
I saw this on facebook and now I want to spend money in that store to have a chance at winning an album I already have (since the day it launched) just for the squiggly line on it.

#5619 May 04 2011 at 10:57 AM Rating: Good

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Oh yeah, I won that city of heroes contest. I really need to remember to send proof of residency to zam...

As for trains, I don't have anything to compare the US to, so... I've also only been on the major lines that are probably among the nicest. And I've only been on NYC's subways, so I can't compare those across cities. :(

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#5620 May 04 2011 at 11:14 AM Rating: Good

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Gimme gimme gimme!
Dontwastemoneydontwastemoneydontwastemoneydontwastemoneydontwastemoney

Edited, May 4th 2011 7:15pm by Aethien

#5621 May 04 2011 at 11:19 AM Rating: Good

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Won't load for me Aeth, but I'd like to remind you... DON'T WASTE MONEY.

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#5622 May 04 2011 at 11:19 AM Rating: Good

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London Underground is hideous, pretty much. And awfully hot. And expensive.
On the bright side, you can get to pretty much anywhere you want to go.

#5623 May 04 2011 at 11:24 AM Rating: Good

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Won't load for me Aeth, but I'd like to remind you... DON'T WASTE MONEY.

Website seems to be down at the moment but it's a black shirt with the O from the Opeth logo on the front and the entire Opeth logo on the back, both in black as well. Smiley: inlove

Edited, May 4th 2011 7:27pm by Aethien

#5624 May 04 2011 at 11:56 AM Rating: Good

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That sounds like something that isn't a necessary purchase.

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#5625 May 04 2011 at 12:06 PM Rating: Good

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Brisin wrote:

London Underground is hideous, pretty much. And awfully hot. And expensive.
On the bright side, you can get to pretty much anywhere you want to go.

"Please mind the gap."

Copenhagen metro stations are pretty nice. Newer and with more focus on design, obviously.

I remember riding the Underground last time I was in London. Huge network that would take you anywhere. We use normal trains for that since our cities aren't that large. The metro only connects the inner parts of Copenhagen.

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#5626 May 04 2011 at 12:07 PM Rating: Good

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Hence the dontwastemoney just below the link.
It's still tempting though. Opeth is awesome and the logo is so pretty <3

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